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Knife as defense against stray dogs
Do ultrasonic dog repellers actually work against strays and other loose dogs?How to safely carry a fixed-blade knife?Will the benefit of an axe outweigh the drawbacks and win over a large knife?Why should I take a pocket knife for wild camping / hiking?Tactical Folder vs traditional knife patterns for EDCHunting bears with a knife?Have mainstream knife steels improved in the last generation?How to clean and refurbish a Victorinox Swiss Army Knife?How do I make people not be afraid of me and my dogs?What is the use of the saw blade on a swiss knife?Are there any large knife/saw multitools for pocket or belt use?
Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
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Are we to assume that carrying weapons is legal in this city?
– David Richerby
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Can a knife be used? sure; Effectively? probably, more so if you have training. Legally? unlikely; but you've not said the location. Is it the best? Another question entirely. Perhaps the better question is "What is the best way to defend against stray dogs"?
– UKMonkey
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I would use a telescopic baton instead. It should be much safer and more effective and should enable you to hit the dog before it hits you. (It is as legal as a knife here, but might not be in your location. For a knife to be effective, you would likely need a large fixed blade one and those also tend to be banned where telecopic batons are.)
– Vladimir F
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@d-b millions of people are bitten by dogs in the US about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2007/html/pb22205/… every year
– Charlie Brumbaugh
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@CharlieBrumbaugh How many of these attacks are spontaneous? Dogs very rarely walk up to a human and bite.
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
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Are we to assume that carrying weapons is legal in this city?
– David Richerby
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Can a knife be used? sure; Effectively? probably, more so if you have training. Legally? unlikely; but you've not said the location. Is it the best? Another question entirely. Perhaps the better question is "What is the best way to defend against stray dogs"?
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I would use a telescopic baton instead. It should be much safer and more effective and should enable you to hit the dog before it hits you. (It is as legal as a knife here, but might not be in your location. For a knife to be effective, you would likely need a large fixed blade one and those also tend to be banned where telecopic batons are.)
– Vladimir F
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@d-b millions of people are bitten by dogs in the US about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2007/html/pb22205/… every year
– Charlie Brumbaugh
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@CharlieBrumbaugh How many of these attacks are spontaneous? Dogs very rarely walk up to a human and bite.
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Are we to assume that carrying weapons is legal in this city?
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Can a knife be used? sure; Effectively? probably, more so if you have training. Legally? unlikely; but you've not said the location. Is it the best? Another question entirely. Perhaps the better question is "What is the best way to defend against stray dogs"?
– UKMonkey
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I would use a telescopic baton instead. It should be much safer and more effective and should enable you to hit the dog before it hits you. (It is as legal as a knife here, but might not be in your location. For a knife to be effective, you would likely need a large fixed blade one and those also tend to be banned where telecopic batons are.)
– Vladimir F
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@d-b millions of people are bitten by dogs in the US about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2007/html/pb22205/… every year
– Charlie Brumbaugh
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@CharlieBrumbaugh How many of these attacks are spontaneous? Dogs very rarely walk up to a human and bite.
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Are we to assume that carrying weapons is legal in this city?
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Can a knife be used? sure; Effectively? probably, more so if you have training. Legally? unlikely; but you've not said the location. Is it the best? Another question entirely. Perhaps the better question is "What is the best way to defend against stray dogs"?
– UKMonkey
yesterday
Can a knife be used? sure; Effectively? probably, more so if you have training. Legally? unlikely; but you've not said the location. Is it the best? Another question entirely. Perhaps the better question is "What is the best way to defend against stray dogs"?
– UKMonkey
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I would use a telescopic baton instead. It should be much safer and more effective and should enable you to hit the dog before it hits you. (It is as legal as a knife here, but might not be in your location. For a knife to be effective, you would likely need a large fixed blade one and those also tend to be banned where telecopic batons are.)
– Vladimir F
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I would use a telescopic baton instead. It should be much safer and more effective and should enable you to hit the dog before it hits you. (It is as legal as a knife here, but might not be in your location. For a knife to be effective, you would likely need a large fixed blade one and those also tend to be banned where telecopic batons are.)
– Vladimir F
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@d-b millions of people are bitten by dogs in the US about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2007/html/pb22205/… every year
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@CharlieBrumbaugh How many of these attacks are spontaneous? Dogs very rarely walk up to a human and bite.
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@CharlieBrumbaugh How many of these attacks are spontaneous? Dogs very rarely walk up to a human and bite.
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It can be used for sure, but there are better options. A knife would require you to be very close to the dog, whilst a stick or pepper spray would provide much greater distance between you and the threat.
Pepper spray is used by the US Postal Service, and they have lots of experience with dog bites.
Of course, if you can avoid aggressive dogs in the first place, that's better still.
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It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
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@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
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@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
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German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
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Your primary objective when defending yourself against stray dogs is not to kill the dog, but to
- avoid getting bitten
- make the dog leave you alone
If you fight a dog with a knife, even if you manage to kill it or make it run away, you will likely get a few bites and scratches. Having a stick or pepper spray is a much better option, as it gives you a range advantage. Please note, that carrying a stick or a pepper spray (and even more often, a knife) inside a city might be illegal, depending on where you are. In the outdoors, a stick and pepper spray are usually more legal, but check the laws in your jurisdiction.
What is (as far as I know) legal everywhere, is ultrasonic dog deterrents. They will make even the most vicious dog (and often even larger animals, like bears) run away in fear. Their only disadvantage is that they will not work if the dog is deaf. Still, carrying such an ultrasonic deterrent with you might be the best choice if you are afraid of stray dogs. Their advantages, compared with other options:
- no legal problems (as they are useless against humans, you won't be accused of carrying it with you to attack people)
- it makes the dogs run away, so less risk for you getting injured in the fight
- even if deaf dogs are unaffected, if a whole pack attacks you (stray dogs usually either travel in packs, or don't attack when they are alone), making the majority of the pack run away in fear usually scares those away who would have been unaffected by the ultrasounds.
- knowing that you have it with you will bolster your confidence, which by itself is a good deterrent. Dogs are very good at reading human emotions, and they are more likely to attack those who are afraid.
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Knife is not a good idea. It does not give an understandable warning to an animal. When it comes to a warning, they more likely understand a stick-shaped thing. So for carrying, light telescopic baton is more suitable (or any other stick you can comfortably carry around). Remember, at the first place, you want to repel oncoming animal, not to harm it.
Also, besides the limited range of the knife you can be facing legislation problems. In addition to those problems mentioned in other answers, in my country there is a complex legislation "Animal is not a thing" which may lead to a criminal investigation in case when you caused injury to an animal (most prominently to a dog). You may be able to prove that you needed to defend yourself, but you will need to go through the process anyway. I think it is not worth it.
The way to go is to use ultrasonic dog repeller which has immediate effect as seen on many videos including for example this.
I originally proposed bright pocket LED flashlight switched to strobe mode, but experience other than mine shows that flashlights seldom work reliably for repelling the animals. Maybe it is due to narrower spectrum of their light (partially incompatible with that seen by animals) where incandescent light would do better? (Anyway, incandescent torch light is rare today so it is out of scope.)
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To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
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Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
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From personal experience with packs of stray dogs, especially coyotes, and also having some strange experience, carry a walking cane or staff (if you can).
Dogs, while attacking as a pack, or thinking about attacking, try to do three things:
- Find easy prey
- Limit prey mobility
- Attack prey blind spots
Keeping this is mind, stay moving to wherever it is you’re going. Use your “command voice,” like “I see you dog.” And be mindful of your blind spots.
Avoid places, like alleyways or ravines, which limit your ability to choose where to go.
I’ve found that walking sticks, of any length from cane to staff, are globally acceptable, and allow you to rapidly switch between advancing dogs (or whatever) while keeping you moving.
I also agree that pepper spray, like many other answers state, is very effective. If possible, use pepper spray at range, and switch to the stick if close engagement is unavoidable.
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Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
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Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
Probably, but it's far from ideal. The reason you explicitly mention a knife is because you're a human who knows about knifes. You know they're sharp and they can hurt you and others. When someone near you takes out a knife, your flee or fight instinct might kick in, a dog that's about to attack you won't be scared off by your knife. The knife is not something they know as a threat.
Instead, you have to stoop to their level, use their own weapons against them. You're probably already familiar with one of theirs: sound. This is great, because it doesn't scare other people near you but when used right will scare the dog. As it happens, you probably already carry your delivery system with you: a mobile phone. The great thing about phones is that they can make sounds, many sounds, even sounds us humans can't make (very high or very low-frequency sounds). Another great thing is that this is very cheap, you already own the phone, all you need to do is search for an app aimed at making sounds that deter dogs for you phone.
I'm not going to promote a specific app here, but you should search for something like 'anti dog sound' in the app store for your phone. Then go to a few dogs (start with ones you know) and try it on them. If it works: great, if not: it only set you back a few moments of your time.
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A knife is perfectly fine to make human attackers understand to better leave one alone, however a dog will not understand what "knife" means, nor what it does. having 1-2 plastic bags with dry dog or cat food in the pocket, which one can distribute when trying to get away, is the best strategy - because a) it does not involve any violence and b) stray dogs are corrupt and if you meet them more than once, they might still remember your mercy (they remember this for several years).
the only situation where violence against stray dogs is justified, is when they encircle one and prepare the attack. then one has to understand who the leader of the pack is, because when not neutralizing their leader, this will result in hospital - also in this situation dropping food yields higher chances of getting away without a scratch, than trying to kill one of them. unless grown up on a farm and knowing exactly how to do it, it might even be a delusion, that this might be an easy thing to do, because dogs aren't slow.
paying the duty is your best chance to trespass on their territory, when you have to (you're the intruder, not them). this just sometimes might lead to situations, where it can become difficult to get rid of them again, which is still better than violence - which they can only return with violence - and so violence should always be the very last resort, in pure self-defense. running a few times around the block and entering a few houses makes it impossible for them to track you down, even if they already knew where your apartment was.
they can smell your fear; that's exactly why dry food is a good approach. being seen (smelt) as provider for snacks is anytime better than being seen as possible prey. and if it really has to be a weapon, bolas should quite effectively body-stop a single dog... and one should consider rabies (that's why close-combat is an unpredictably dangerous situation). Concerning the suggesting to use pepper spray ...this works in both directions, which is merely depending in which direction the wind blows. do not turn your back on them and try to appear as large as possible. better save than sorry.
Clarification for people comparing stray domesticated dogs with wild bears:
I've found tons of relevant behavioral studies (in German & English): https://www.wolfscience.at/en/research-at-wsc/publications/ and generally, one just cannot claim that a bear would be "highly collaborative with humans", which wolves and dogs are. and this collaborative behavior is exactly why collaborating with them is a pretty sane approach - and this is not feeding wild animals. read closely, I've wrote "when trying to get away", which implies that feeding them should not be the default - but it can help to take shortcuts on the way, which one otherwise would rather avoid.
I mean, other answers suggesting smashing the dog's skull receive up-votes... while answers, which can be backed up with a little research, that merely suggest common sense are being down-voted? this tells an awful lot about this community. stray dogs are still domestic animals. that humans do not consider them as pets, only because they don't have a name, does not matter.
The comparison to postal services is fitting, because territorial invasion is a huge factor... I'd still punch the postman, if he'd spray my dog, only to deliver an invoice, which by itself barely is sane - and only proofs, that some people refuse to realize, that they are the invaders, because they do not realize the territory claimed, eg. by a pack of stray dogs. if they follow one once, one can see where the borderline is, because this is exactly where they will leave off. I find it interesting, that a "trust in authority" answer is the most popular on "The Great Outdoors". SO is rather welcoming.
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How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
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@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
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If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
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@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
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@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
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From my personal experience,
- if you see stray dogs then ignore them and don't try to look in their
eyes, they may follow you otherwise. - If dog(s) are barking at you then don't get nervous, just stay normal
and don't try to run, if you run then they will run faster and may
catch you and bite. - Now, if still you are in situation where stray dog are following you,
running for you, or trying to bite you, then use bricks. Usually
places having stray dogs also have bricks/Stones, make sure target the dog
in the head with as much force you can and then run away. - If you have knife then use it or if pepper spray then better, the
aim is to knockdown the dog so that you can run away. - Also if the dog is not seriously injured and still following you then it is better to jump into someone else's home/shop by climbing/jumping doors if need be.
- In case dog killing is not allowed in your country then as suggested by other, always take High Intensity LED Lights, Pepper spray in your pocket.
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A knife is a perfectly effective weapon against stray dogs, provided that you are skilled in its use. However it's not something that you can just pick up and expect to be proficient with. You need to know how to keep your footing, how to avoid being bitten, enough dog anatomy to be able to disable one quickly, be in good enough physical condition to use all that knowledge...
A knife is always a useful thing to have with you, but if at all possible you'll find that the various types of mace formulated for discouraging dogs are far easier to use. Save the knife as a backup for in case your can of mace runs dry and the dogpack is still thinking you look tasty. A gun would be better in that case, but I rather assume you wouldn't be asking about a knife if that were an option, and even if it is, have the knife for when there are more dogs than you have bullets and start with the mace if you can since it's gentler on everyone and everything involved.
If a knife really is your only option, you'll want a set of heavy leather vambraces to go with it. These protect your forearms so you're less likely to be injured if you misjudge your attack and the dog clamps its teeth down on your arm. Armoring the rest of yourself wouldn't hurt either, but forearms, shins, and neck are the most important when dealing with dogs since they don't generally have the ability to puncture your torso.
Also consider finding a dog you can practice with. Most dogs love to wrestle. That's how they play with each other. The hard part is making sure you have a clear set of signals so it doesn't get confused and think it's ok to wrestle with other people who won't appreciate it. But like with fighting humans, the only way to learn how to effectively fight a dog is to do a bit of fighting with a dog.
In short, a knife is not a magic wand that will scare a dog away. If it's your only option it's better than nothing, but you need to put the time and effort into learning how to use it if you want it to give you anything more than a false sense of security.
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You haven't said what country you are talking about. Don't try this in Britain - you will end up in jail. In fact don't bring a knife to Britain.
Selling, buying and carrying knives The maximum penalty for an adult
carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine.
You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife
more than once. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Most dogs have an owner. They are used to being told what to do by humans. Know the local words for "sit" and "go home". Say one or other of these firmly (not angrily or shouting). If in doubt say phrases in your own language but with conviction.
Running will cause any dog to chase - Even a small dog can run faster than Usain Bolt so don't do it unless there is a gate or similar very nearby that you can get behind.
Shouting and waving your arms or acting in a threatening manner will frighten a timid dog but it may cause an aggressive dog to attack.
There is only one way to deal with a dog and that is to maintain a calm demeanour and upright posture. Do not try to use dog-language (e.g. by growling - this will cause it to become more aggressive) speak to it as a disapproving human and assume that it will obey.
If a dog actually attacks and is biting you then you have no option - you have to defend yourself. However do so in a calculated way. Control it by grabbing its collar and twisting so as to choke it. If there is no collar grab by the scruff. Then kick or hit in a soft/vulnerable spot. Poke in the eyes, kick in the windpipe, etc.
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If you get to this last stage then you are already getting hurt so don't sue me if it goes wrong! It was going to anyway!
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It can be used for sure, but there are better options. A knife would require you to be very close to the dog, whilst a stick or pepper spray would provide much greater distance between you and the threat.
Pepper spray is used by the US Postal Service, and they have lots of experience with dog bites.
Of course, if you can avoid aggressive dogs in the first place, that's better still.
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It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
yesterday
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@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
yesterday
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@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
15 hours ago
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German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
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It can be used for sure, but there are better options. A knife would require you to be very close to the dog, whilst a stick or pepper spray would provide much greater distance between you and the threat.
Pepper spray is used by the US Postal Service, and they have lots of experience with dog bites.
Of course, if you can avoid aggressive dogs in the first place, that's better still.
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It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
yesterday
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@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
yesterday
6
@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
15 hours ago
2
German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
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It can be used for sure, but there are better options. A knife would require you to be very close to the dog, whilst a stick or pepper spray would provide much greater distance between you and the threat.
Pepper spray is used by the US Postal Service, and they have lots of experience with dog bites.
Of course, if you can avoid aggressive dogs in the first place, that's better still.
It can be used for sure, but there are better options. A knife would require you to be very close to the dog, whilst a stick or pepper spray would provide much greater distance between you and the threat.
Pepper spray is used by the US Postal Service, and they have lots of experience with dog bites.
Of course, if you can avoid aggressive dogs in the first place, that's better still.
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It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
yesterday
6
@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
yesterday
6
@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
15 hours ago
2
German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
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It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
yesterday
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@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
yesterday
6
@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
15 hours ago
2
German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
2
2
It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
yesterday
It is not legal to carry pepper spray in all jurisdictions, so check the legality first. But pepper spray is far better than a knife against a dog.
– Bent
yesterday
6
6
@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
yesterday
@Bent Carrying a knife is also illegal in many jurisdictions.
– kasperd
yesterday
6
6
@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
15 hours ago
@kasperd and rumors has it, in the US you're not allowed to carry kinder eggs because they may be dangerous if someone swallows it or whatever, but you're allowed to carry assault rifles because they're obviously less dangerous than kinder eggs
– hanshenrik
15 hours ago
2
2
German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
German post uses treats. I don't know whether they have pepper spray in addition - but I know that our dog loves them all madly: there are no other strangers that come (at least once in a while) basically just to give him a treat (and even without any requirements like sit or down)... ;-)
– cbeleites
8 hours ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
@kasperd Small knives (under a certain length and only one sharp edge) are more often legal than pepper spray.
– Mast
1 hour ago
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Your primary objective when defending yourself against stray dogs is not to kill the dog, but to
- avoid getting bitten
- make the dog leave you alone
If you fight a dog with a knife, even if you manage to kill it or make it run away, you will likely get a few bites and scratches. Having a stick or pepper spray is a much better option, as it gives you a range advantage. Please note, that carrying a stick or a pepper spray (and even more often, a knife) inside a city might be illegal, depending on where you are. In the outdoors, a stick and pepper spray are usually more legal, but check the laws in your jurisdiction.
What is (as far as I know) legal everywhere, is ultrasonic dog deterrents. They will make even the most vicious dog (and often even larger animals, like bears) run away in fear. Their only disadvantage is that they will not work if the dog is deaf. Still, carrying such an ultrasonic deterrent with you might be the best choice if you are afraid of stray dogs. Their advantages, compared with other options:
- no legal problems (as they are useless against humans, you won't be accused of carrying it with you to attack people)
- it makes the dogs run away, so less risk for you getting injured in the fight
- even if deaf dogs are unaffected, if a whole pack attacks you (stray dogs usually either travel in packs, or don't attack when they are alone), making the majority of the pack run away in fear usually scares those away who would have been unaffected by the ultrasounds.
- knowing that you have it with you will bolster your confidence, which by itself is a good deterrent. Dogs are very good at reading human emotions, and they are more likely to attack those who are afraid.
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Your primary objective when defending yourself against stray dogs is not to kill the dog, but to
- avoid getting bitten
- make the dog leave you alone
If you fight a dog with a knife, even if you manage to kill it or make it run away, you will likely get a few bites and scratches. Having a stick or pepper spray is a much better option, as it gives you a range advantage. Please note, that carrying a stick or a pepper spray (and even more often, a knife) inside a city might be illegal, depending on where you are. In the outdoors, a stick and pepper spray are usually more legal, but check the laws in your jurisdiction.
What is (as far as I know) legal everywhere, is ultrasonic dog deterrents. They will make even the most vicious dog (and often even larger animals, like bears) run away in fear. Their only disadvantage is that they will not work if the dog is deaf. Still, carrying such an ultrasonic deterrent with you might be the best choice if you are afraid of stray dogs. Their advantages, compared with other options:
- no legal problems (as they are useless against humans, you won't be accused of carrying it with you to attack people)
- it makes the dogs run away, so less risk for you getting injured in the fight
- even if deaf dogs are unaffected, if a whole pack attacks you (stray dogs usually either travel in packs, or don't attack when they are alone), making the majority of the pack run away in fear usually scares those away who would have been unaffected by the ultrasounds.
- knowing that you have it with you will bolster your confidence, which by itself is a good deterrent. Dogs are very good at reading human emotions, and they are more likely to attack those who are afraid.
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Your primary objective when defending yourself against stray dogs is not to kill the dog, but to
- avoid getting bitten
- make the dog leave you alone
If you fight a dog with a knife, even if you manage to kill it or make it run away, you will likely get a few bites and scratches. Having a stick or pepper spray is a much better option, as it gives you a range advantage. Please note, that carrying a stick or a pepper spray (and even more often, a knife) inside a city might be illegal, depending on where you are. In the outdoors, a stick and pepper spray are usually more legal, but check the laws in your jurisdiction.
What is (as far as I know) legal everywhere, is ultrasonic dog deterrents. They will make even the most vicious dog (and often even larger animals, like bears) run away in fear. Their only disadvantage is that they will not work if the dog is deaf. Still, carrying such an ultrasonic deterrent with you might be the best choice if you are afraid of stray dogs. Their advantages, compared with other options:
- no legal problems (as they are useless against humans, you won't be accused of carrying it with you to attack people)
- it makes the dogs run away, so less risk for you getting injured in the fight
- even if deaf dogs are unaffected, if a whole pack attacks you (stray dogs usually either travel in packs, or don't attack when they are alone), making the majority of the pack run away in fear usually scares those away who would have been unaffected by the ultrasounds.
- knowing that you have it with you will bolster your confidence, which by itself is a good deterrent. Dogs are very good at reading human emotions, and they are more likely to attack those who are afraid.
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Your primary objective when defending yourself against stray dogs is not to kill the dog, but to
- avoid getting bitten
- make the dog leave you alone
If you fight a dog with a knife, even if you manage to kill it or make it run away, you will likely get a few bites and scratches. Having a stick or pepper spray is a much better option, as it gives you a range advantage. Please note, that carrying a stick or a pepper spray (and even more often, a knife) inside a city might be illegal, depending on where you are. In the outdoors, a stick and pepper spray are usually more legal, but check the laws in your jurisdiction.
What is (as far as I know) legal everywhere, is ultrasonic dog deterrents. They will make even the most vicious dog (and often even larger animals, like bears) run away in fear. Their only disadvantage is that they will not work if the dog is deaf. Still, carrying such an ultrasonic deterrent with you might be the best choice if you are afraid of stray dogs. Their advantages, compared with other options:
- no legal problems (as they are useless against humans, you won't be accused of carrying it with you to attack people)
- it makes the dogs run away, so less risk for you getting injured in the fight
- even if deaf dogs are unaffected, if a whole pack attacks you (stray dogs usually either travel in packs, or don't attack when they are alone), making the majority of the pack run away in fear usually scares those away who would have been unaffected by the ultrasounds.
- knowing that you have it with you will bolster your confidence, which by itself is a good deterrent. Dogs are very good at reading human emotions, and they are more likely to attack those who are afraid.
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Knife is not a good idea. It does not give an understandable warning to an animal. When it comes to a warning, they more likely understand a stick-shaped thing. So for carrying, light telescopic baton is more suitable (or any other stick you can comfortably carry around). Remember, at the first place, you want to repel oncoming animal, not to harm it.
Also, besides the limited range of the knife you can be facing legislation problems. In addition to those problems mentioned in other answers, in my country there is a complex legislation "Animal is not a thing" which may lead to a criminal investigation in case when you caused injury to an animal (most prominently to a dog). You may be able to prove that you needed to defend yourself, but you will need to go through the process anyway. I think it is not worth it.
The way to go is to use ultrasonic dog repeller which has immediate effect as seen on many videos including for example this.
I originally proposed bright pocket LED flashlight switched to strobe mode, but experience other than mine shows that flashlights seldom work reliably for repelling the animals. Maybe it is due to narrower spectrum of their light (partially incompatible with that seen by animals) where incandescent light would do better? (Anyway, incandescent torch light is rare today so it is out of scope.)
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To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
yesterday
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Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
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Knife is not a good idea. It does not give an understandable warning to an animal. When it comes to a warning, they more likely understand a stick-shaped thing. So for carrying, light telescopic baton is more suitable (or any other stick you can comfortably carry around). Remember, at the first place, you want to repel oncoming animal, not to harm it.
Also, besides the limited range of the knife you can be facing legislation problems. In addition to those problems mentioned in other answers, in my country there is a complex legislation "Animal is not a thing" which may lead to a criminal investigation in case when you caused injury to an animal (most prominently to a dog). You may be able to prove that you needed to defend yourself, but you will need to go through the process anyway. I think it is not worth it.
The way to go is to use ultrasonic dog repeller which has immediate effect as seen on many videos including for example this.
I originally proposed bright pocket LED flashlight switched to strobe mode, but experience other than mine shows that flashlights seldom work reliably for repelling the animals. Maybe it is due to narrower spectrum of their light (partially incompatible with that seen by animals) where incandescent light would do better? (Anyway, incandescent torch light is rare today so it is out of scope.)
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To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
yesterday
1
Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
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Knife is not a good idea. It does not give an understandable warning to an animal. When it comes to a warning, they more likely understand a stick-shaped thing. So for carrying, light telescopic baton is more suitable (or any other stick you can comfortably carry around). Remember, at the first place, you want to repel oncoming animal, not to harm it.
Also, besides the limited range of the knife you can be facing legislation problems. In addition to those problems mentioned in other answers, in my country there is a complex legislation "Animal is not a thing" which may lead to a criminal investigation in case when you caused injury to an animal (most prominently to a dog). You may be able to prove that you needed to defend yourself, but you will need to go through the process anyway. I think it is not worth it.
The way to go is to use ultrasonic dog repeller which has immediate effect as seen on many videos including for example this.
I originally proposed bright pocket LED flashlight switched to strobe mode, but experience other than mine shows that flashlights seldom work reliably for repelling the animals. Maybe it is due to narrower spectrum of their light (partially incompatible with that seen by animals) where incandescent light would do better? (Anyway, incandescent torch light is rare today so it is out of scope.)
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Knife is not a good idea. It does not give an understandable warning to an animal. When it comes to a warning, they more likely understand a stick-shaped thing. So for carrying, light telescopic baton is more suitable (or any other stick you can comfortably carry around). Remember, at the first place, you want to repel oncoming animal, not to harm it.
Also, besides the limited range of the knife you can be facing legislation problems. In addition to those problems mentioned in other answers, in my country there is a complex legislation "Animal is not a thing" which may lead to a criminal investigation in case when you caused injury to an animal (most prominently to a dog). You may be able to prove that you needed to defend yourself, but you will need to go through the process anyway. I think it is not worth it.
The way to go is to use ultrasonic dog repeller which has immediate effect as seen on many videos including for example this.
I originally proposed bright pocket LED flashlight switched to strobe mode, but experience other than mine shows that flashlights seldom work reliably for repelling the animals. Maybe it is due to narrower spectrum of their light (partially incompatible with that seen by animals) where incandescent light would do better? (Anyway, incandescent torch light is rare today so it is out of scope.)
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To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
yesterday
1
Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
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To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
yesterday
1
Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
1
1
To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
yesterday
To be honest I am not convinced you have any experience with wild animals. I am not convinced @CharlieBrumbaugh does either. A strobe light will not deter an aggressive animal. Neither will punches with a tactical flashlight (which do not carry significant weight hence tactical) unless the animal is undersized. This is why if you do not have a firearm or knife (because of legal or ethical reasons) the general recommendation from people who have experience in this is to use strong mace (called bear mace). This is why I am downvoting your answer. Your advice could get someone killed.
– user17553
yesterday
1
1
Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
Stones are also good option, cause stray dogs knows it will hurt them if some one hurl the stones to them
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
A telescopic baton is usually considered a weapon and may be illegal (depending on jurisdiction).
– Hobbes
15 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
@ user17553 – answer fixed. @Hobbes – I think that is a good point. And compared to ultrasonic repeller it may be less effective anyway.
– miroxlav
9 hours ago
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From personal experience with packs of stray dogs, especially coyotes, and also having some strange experience, carry a walking cane or staff (if you can).
Dogs, while attacking as a pack, or thinking about attacking, try to do three things:
- Find easy prey
- Limit prey mobility
- Attack prey blind spots
Keeping this is mind, stay moving to wherever it is you’re going. Use your “command voice,” like “I see you dog.” And be mindful of your blind spots.
Avoid places, like alleyways or ravines, which limit your ability to choose where to go.
I’ve found that walking sticks, of any length from cane to staff, are globally acceptable, and allow you to rapidly switch between advancing dogs (or whatever) while keeping you moving.
I also agree that pepper spray, like many other answers state, is very effective. If possible, use pepper spray at range, and switch to the stick if close engagement is unavoidable.
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Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
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Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
1 hour ago
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From personal experience with packs of stray dogs, especially coyotes, and also having some strange experience, carry a walking cane or staff (if you can).
Dogs, while attacking as a pack, or thinking about attacking, try to do three things:
- Find easy prey
- Limit prey mobility
- Attack prey blind spots
Keeping this is mind, stay moving to wherever it is you’re going. Use your “command voice,” like “I see you dog.” And be mindful of your blind spots.
Avoid places, like alleyways or ravines, which limit your ability to choose where to go.
I’ve found that walking sticks, of any length from cane to staff, are globally acceptable, and allow you to rapidly switch between advancing dogs (or whatever) while keeping you moving.
I also agree that pepper spray, like many other answers state, is very effective. If possible, use pepper spray at range, and switch to the stick if close engagement is unavoidable.
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Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
4
Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
1 hour ago
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From personal experience with packs of stray dogs, especially coyotes, and also having some strange experience, carry a walking cane or staff (if you can).
Dogs, while attacking as a pack, or thinking about attacking, try to do three things:
- Find easy prey
- Limit prey mobility
- Attack prey blind spots
Keeping this is mind, stay moving to wherever it is you’re going. Use your “command voice,” like “I see you dog.” And be mindful of your blind spots.
Avoid places, like alleyways or ravines, which limit your ability to choose where to go.
I’ve found that walking sticks, of any length from cane to staff, are globally acceptable, and allow you to rapidly switch between advancing dogs (or whatever) while keeping you moving.
I also agree that pepper spray, like many other answers state, is very effective. If possible, use pepper spray at range, and switch to the stick if close engagement is unavoidable.
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From personal experience with packs of stray dogs, especially coyotes, and also having some strange experience, carry a walking cane or staff (if you can).
Dogs, while attacking as a pack, or thinking about attacking, try to do three things:
- Find easy prey
- Limit prey mobility
- Attack prey blind spots
Keeping this is mind, stay moving to wherever it is you’re going. Use your “command voice,” like “I see you dog.” And be mindful of your blind spots.
Avoid places, like alleyways or ravines, which limit your ability to choose where to go.
I’ve found that walking sticks, of any length from cane to staff, are globally acceptable, and allow you to rapidly switch between advancing dogs (or whatever) while keeping you moving.
I also agree that pepper spray, like many other answers state, is very effective. If possible, use pepper spray at range, and switch to the stick if close engagement is unavoidable.
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Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
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Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
1 hour ago
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Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
4
Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
1 hour ago
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Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
Treking poles are also effective, and a visible stone in your hand. Also for shephard's dogs like those huge beasts in Anatolia or Caucasus. Not to hit them, they are too big and very dangerous, but to keep them at distance. Unfortunately, their owners tend to beat them, so they are used to this type of control.
– Vladimir F
13 hours ago
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Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
Speaking as a former meter reader (entering people's yards) all except the biggest meanest dogs fear a stick, especially when wielded by a person who is acting aggressively with it (i.e., waving it and advancing toward the dog). And another tip from a former meter reader: All dogs, no matter how dinky, will be aggressive and not back down when their owner is nearby. Because they know where their food comes from. (IOW, don't go in that yard with a dog if the owner is present or even visible through a window. Even if the owner is holding on to the dog. Trust me on this.)
– davidbak
11 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@VladimirF : Shepherd dogs require a completely different approach. Unlike coyotes or wild dogs, they don't see you as food. They see you as an intruder to their territory. You should not fight them (they are used to fighting bears! Also, a predator tries to avoid injury, a defender on the other hand risks more), you should freeze in place, and, if possible, slowly back away towards the direction you came from. It can often happen that they surround you, sit down, and continue barking, calling for their owner. In such a case there is not much else to do than to wait for the shepherd to arrive.
– vsz
3 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@vsz I never said fight them, I said they are way too large, they would kill you!!! But you heve to keep some minimal distance. Often you would wait for days, if not weeks, in those countries. And you would not get anywhere if you went back, often they are in places you have to pass, on a path in the mountains, they will come to you even when you are far from their herd and you are just passing their mountain valley and will run to you from unpredictable directions, seemingly from were you came. Their owner can be in a distant city. Fortunately, they always just closely followed and barked.
– Vladimir F
2 hours ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
1 hour ago
@VladimirF : I'm talking about my experiences in the Carpathians. Fortunately, there aren't any herds out there in the open without a human. If the herd is moving away from you, or you are already moving away from the herd, the dogs stop quite far from you, bark for some time, and then leave when the herd is far enough. If the herd is moving in your direction, they are much more aggressive, they come much closer to you. However, in such cases, the herd soon arrives, and then the shepherd calls the dogs back. (Are there completely unattended herds of sheep roaming around in the Caucasus?)
– vsz
1 hour ago
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
Probably, but it's far from ideal. The reason you explicitly mention a knife is because you're a human who knows about knifes. You know they're sharp and they can hurt you and others. When someone near you takes out a knife, your flee or fight instinct might kick in, a dog that's about to attack you won't be scared off by your knife. The knife is not something they know as a threat.
Instead, you have to stoop to their level, use their own weapons against them. You're probably already familiar with one of theirs: sound. This is great, because it doesn't scare other people near you but when used right will scare the dog. As it happens, you probably already carry your delivery system with you: a mobile phone. The great thing about phones is that they can make sounds, many sounds, even sounds us humans can't make (very high or very low-frequency sounds). Another great thing is that this is very cheap, you already own the phone, all you need to do is search for an app aimed at making sounds that deter dogs for you phone.
I'm not going to promote a specific app here, but you should search for something like 'anti dog sound' in the app store for your phone. Then go to a few dogs (start with ones you know) and try it on them. If it works: great, if not: it only set you back a few moments of your time.
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
Probably, but it's far from ideal. The reason you explicitly mention a knife is because you're a human who knows about knifes. You know they're sharp and they can hurt you and others. When someone near you takes out a knife, your flee or fight instinct might kick in, a dog that's about to attack you won't be scared off by your knife. The knife is not something they know as a threat.
Instead, you have to stoop to their level, use their own weapons against them. You're probably already familiar with one of theirs: sound. This is great, because it doesn't scare other people near you but when used right will scare the dog. As it happens, you probably already carry your delivery system with you: a mobile phone. The great thing about phones is that they can make sounds, many sounds, even sounds us humans can't make (very high or very low-frequency sounds). Another great thing is that this is very cheap, you already own the phone, all you need to do is search for an app aimed at making sounds that deter dogs for you phone.
I'm not going to promote a specific app here, but you should search for something like 'anti dog sound' in the app store for your phone. Then go to a few dogs (start with ones you know) and try it on them. If it works: great, if not: it only set you back a few moments of your time.
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
Probably, but it's far from ideal. The reason you explicitly mention a knife is because you're a human who knows about knifes. You know they're sharp and they can hurt you and others. When someone near you takes out a knife, your flee or fight instinct might kick in, a dog that's about to attack you won't be scared off by your knife. The knife is not something they know as a threat.
Instead, you have to stoop to their level, use their own weapons against them. You're probably already familiar with one of theirs: sound. This is great, because it doesn't scare other people near you but when used right will scare the dog. As it happens, you probably already carry your delivery system with you: a mobile phone. The great thing about phones is that they can make sounds, many sounds, even sounds us humans can't make (very high or very low-frequency sounds). Another great thing is that this is very cheap, you already own the phone, all you need to do is search for an app aimed at making sounds that deter dogs for you phone.
I'm not going to promote a specific app here, but you should search for something like 'anti dog sound' in the app store for your phone. Then go to a few dogs (start with ones you know) and try it on them. If it works: great, if not: it only set you back a few moments of your time.
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Some places I travel to have stray dogs in the city. Can a knife be used effectively if attacked by one or more of them? I've had creepy close encounters.
Probably, but it's far from ideal. The reason you explicitly mention a knife is because you're a human who knows about knifes. You know they're sharp and they can hurt you and others. When someone near you takes out a knife, your flee or fight instinct might kick in, a dog that's about to attack you won't be scared off by your knife. The knife is not something they know as a threat.
Instead, you have to stoop to their level, use their own weapons against them. You're probably already familiar with one of theirs: sound. This is great, because it doesn't scare other people near you but when used right will scare the dog. As it happens, you probably already carry your delivery system with you: a mobile phone. The great thing about phones is that they can make sounds, many sounds, even sounds us humans can't make (very high or very low-frequency sounds). Another great thing is that this is very cheap, you already own the phone, all you need to do is search for an app aimed at making sounds that deter dogs for you phone.
I'm not going to promote a specific app here, but you should search for something like 'anti dog sound' in the app store for your phone. Then go to a few dogs (start with ones you know) and try it on them. If it works: great, if not: it only set you back a few moments of your time.
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A knife is perfectly fine to make human attackers understand to better leave one alone, however a dog will not understand what "knife" means, nor what it does. having 1-2 plastic bags with dry dog or cat food in the pocket, which one can distribute when trying to get away, is the best strategy - because a) it does not involve any violence and b) stray dogs are corrupt and if you meet them more than once, they might still remember your mercy (they remember this for several years).
the only situation where violence against stray dogs is justified, is when they encircle one and prepare the attack. then one has to understand who the leader of the pack is, because when not neutralizing their leader, this will result in hospital - also in this situation dropping food yields higher chances of getting away without a scratch, than trying to kill one of them. unless grown up on a farm and knowing exactly how to do it, it might even be a delusion, that this might be an easy thing to do, because dogs aren't slow.
paying the duty is your best chance to trespass on their territory, when you have to (you're the intruder, not them). this just sometimes might lead to situations, where it can become difficult to get rid of them again, which is still better than violence - which they can only return with violence - and so violence should always be the very last resort, in pure self-defense. running a few times around the block and entering a few houses makes it impossible for them to track you down, even if they already knew where your apartment was.
they can smell your fear; that's exactly why dry food is a good approach. being seen (smelt) as provider for snacks is anytime better than being seen as possible prey. and if it really has to be a weapon, bolas should quite effectively body-stop a single dog... and one should consider rabies (that's why close-combat is an unpredictably dangerous situation). Concerning the suggesting to use pepper spray ...this works in both directions, which is merely depending in which direction the wind blows. do not turn your back on them and try to appear as large as possible. better save than sorry.
Clarification for people comparing stray domesticated dogs with wild bears:
I've found tons of relevant behavioral studies (in German & English): https://www.wolfscience.at/en/research-at-wsc/publications/ and generally, one just cannot claim that a bear would be "highly collaborative with humans", which wolves and dogs are. and this collaborative behavior is exactly why collaborating with them is a pretty sane approach - and this is not feeding wild animals. read closely, I've wrote "when trying to get away", which implies that feeding them should not be the default - but it can help to take shortcuts on the way, which one otherwise would rather avoid.
I mean, other answers suggesting smashing the dog's skull receive up-votes... while answers, which can be backed up with a little research, that merely suggest common sense are being down-voted? this tells an awful lot about this community. stray dogs are still domestic animals. that humans do not consider them as pets, only because they don't have a name, does not matter.
The comparison to postal services is fitting, because territorial invasion is a huge factor... I'd still punch the postman, if he'd spray my dog, only to deliver an invoice, which by itself barely is sane - and only proofs, that some people refuse to realize, that they are the invaders, because they do not realize the territory claimed, eg. by a pack of stray dogs. if they follow one once, one can see where the borderline is, because this is exactly where they will leave off. I find it interesting, that a "trust in authority" answer is the most popular on "The Great Outdoors". SO is rather welcoming.
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How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
1
@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
22 hours ago
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If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
1
@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
1
@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
17 hours ago
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A knife is perfectly fine to make human attackers understand to better leave one alone, however a dog will not understand what "knife" means, nor what it does. having 1-2 plastic bags with dry dog or cat food in the pocket, which one can distribute when trying to get away, is the best strategy - because a) it does not involve any violence and b) stray dogs are corrupt and if you meet them more than once, they might still remember your mercy (they remember this for several years).
the only situation where violence against stray dogs is justified, is when they encircle one and prepare the attack. then one has to understand who the leader of the pack is, because when not neutralizing their leader, this will result in hospital - also in this situation dropping food yields higher chances of getting away without a scratch, than trying to kill one of them. unless grown up on a farm and knowing exactly how to do it, it might even be a delusion, that this might be an easy thing to do, because dogs aren't slow.
paying the duty is your best chance to trespass on their territory, when you have to (you're the intruder, not them). this just sometimes might lead to situations, where it can become difficult to get rid of them again, which is still better than violence - which they can only return with violence - and so violence should always be the very last resort, in pure self-defense. running a few times around the block and entering a few houses makes it impossible for them to track you down, even if they already knew where your apartment was.
they can smell your fear; that's exactly why dry food is a good approach. being seen (smelt) as provider for snacks is anytime better than being seen as possible prey. and if it really has to be a weapon, bolas should quite effectively body-stop a single dog... and one should consider rabies (that's why close-combat is an unpredictably dangerous situation). Concerning the suggesting to use pepper spray ...this works in both directions, which is merely depending in which direction the wind blows. do not turn your back on them and try to appear as large as possible. better save than sorry.
Clarification for people comparing stray domesticated dogs with wild bears:
I've found tons of relevant behavioral studies (in German & English): https://www.wolfscience.at/en/research-at-wsc/publications/ and generally, one just cannot claim that a bear would be "highly collaborative with humans", which wolves and dogs are. and this collaborative behavior is exactly why collaborating with them is a pretty sane approach - and this is not feeding wild animals. read closely, I've wrote "when trying to get away", which implies that feeding them should not be the default - but it can help to take shortcuts on the way, which one otherwise would rather avoid.
I mean, other answers suggesting smashing the dog's skull receive up-votes... while answers, which can be backed up with a little research, that merely suggest common sense are being down-voted? this tells an awful lot about this community. stray dogs are still domestic animals. that humans do not consider them as pets, only because they don't have a name, does not matter.
The comparison to postal services is fitting, because territorial invasion is a huge factor... I'd still punch the postman, if he'd spray my dog, only to deliver an invoice, which by itself barely is sane - and only proofs, that some people refuse to realize, that they are the invaders, because they do not realize the territory claimed, eg. by a pack of stray dogs. if they follow one once, one can see where the borderline is, because this is exactly where they will leave off. I find it interesting, that a "trust in authority" answer is the most popular on "The Great Outdoors". SO is rather welcoming.
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How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
1
@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
22 hours ago
2
If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
1
@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
1
@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
17 hours ago
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show 4 more comments
A knife is perfectly fine to make human attackers understand to better leave one alone, however a dog will not understand what "knife" means, nor what it does. having 1-2 plastic bags with dry dog or cat food in the pocket, which one can distribute when trying to get away, is the best strategy - because a) it does not involve any violence and b) stray dogs are corrupt and if you meet them more than once, they might still remember your mercy (they remember this for several years).
the only situation where violence against stray dogs is justified, is when they encircle one and prepare the attack. then one has to understand who the leader of the pack is, because when not neutralizing their leader, this will result in hospital - also in this situation dropping food yields higher chances of getting away without a scratch, than trying to kill one of them. unless grown up on a farm and knowing exactly how to do it, it might even be a delusion, that this might be an easy thing to do, because dogs aren't slow.
paying the duty is your best chance to trespass on their territory, when you have to (you're the intruder, not them). this just sometimes might lead to situations, where it can become difficult to get rid of them again, which is still better than violence - which they can only return with violence - and so violence should always be the very last resort, in pure self-defense. running a few times around the block and entering a few houses makes it impossible for them to track you down, even if they already knew where your apartment was.
they can smell your fear; that's exactly why dry food is a good approach. being seen (smelt) as provider for snacks is anytime better than being seen as possible prey. and if it really has to be a weapon, bolas should quite effectively body-stop a single dog... and one should consider rabies (that's why close-combat is an unpredictably dangerous situation). Concerning the suggesting to use pepper spray ...this works in both directions, which is merely depending in which direction the wind blows. do not turn your back on them and try to appear as large as possible. better save than sorry.
Clarification for people comparing stray domesticated dogs with wild bears:
I've found tons of relevant behavioral studies (in German & English): https://www.wolfscience.at/en/research-at-wsc/publications/ and generally, one just cannot claim that a bear would be "highly collaborative with humans", which wolves and dogs are. and this collaborative behavior is exactly why collaborating with them is a pretty sane approach - and this is not feeding wild animals. read closely, I've wrote "when trying to get away", which implies that feeding them should not be the default - but it can help to take shortcuts on the way, which one otherwise would rather avoid.
I mean, other answers suggesting smashing the dog's skull receive up-votes... while answers, which can be backed up with a little research, that merely suggest common sense are being down-voted? this tells an awful lot about this community. stray dogs are still domestic animals. that humans do not consider them as pets, only because they don't have a name, does not matter.
The comparison to postal services is fitting, because territorial invasion is a huge factor... I'd still punch the postman, if he'd spray my dog, only to deliver an invoice, which by itself barely is sane - and only proofs, that some people refuse to realize, that they are the invaders, because they do not realize the territory claimed, eg. by a pack of stray dogs. if they follow one once, one can see where the borderline is, because this is exactly where they will leave off. I find it interesting, that a "trust in authority" answer is the most popular on "The Great Outdoors". SO is rather welcoming.
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A knife is perfectly fine to make human attackers understand to better leave one alone, however a dog will not understand what "knife" means, nor what it does. having 1-2 plastic bags with dry dog or cat food in the pocket, which one can distribute when trying to get away, is the best strategy - because a) it does not involve any violence and b) stray dogs are corrupt and if you meet them more than once, they might still remember your mercy (they remember this for several years).
the only situation where violence against stray dogs is justified, is when they encircle one and prepare the attack. then one has to understand who the leader of the pack is, because when not neutralizing their leader, this will result in hospital - also in this situation dropping food yields higher chances of getting away without a scratch, than trying to kill one of them. unless grown up on a farm and knowing exactly how to do it, it might even be a delusion, that this might be an easy thing to do, because dogs aren't slow.
paying the duty is your best chance to trespass on their territory, when you have to (you're the intruder, not them). this just sometimes might lead to situations, where it can become difficult to get rid of them again, which is still better than violence - which they can only return with violence - and so violence should always be the very last resort, in pure self-defense. running a few times around the block and entering a few houses makes it impossible for them to track you down, even if they already knew where your apartment was.
they can smell your fear; that's exactly why dry food is a good approach. being seen (smelt) as provider for snacks is anytime better than being seen as possible prey. and if it really has to be a weapon, bolas should quite effectively body-stop a single dog... and one should consider rabies (that's why close-combat is an unpredictably dangerous situation). Concerning the suggesting to use pepper spray ...this works in both directions, which is merely depending in which direction the wind blows. do not turn your back on them and try to appear as large as possible. better save than sorry.
Clarification for people comparing stray domesticated dogs with wild bears:
I've found tons of relevant behavioral studies (in German & English): https://www.wolfscience.at/en/research-at-wsc/publications/ and generally, one just cannot claim that a bear would be "highly collaborative with humans", which wolves and dogs are. and this collaborative behavior is exactly why collaborating with them is a pretty sane approach - and this is not feeding wild animals. read closely, I've wrote "when trying to get away", which implies that feeding them should not be the default - but it can help to take shortcuts on the way, which one otherwise would rather avoid.
I mean, other answers suggesting smashing the dog's skull receive up-votes... while answers, which can be backed up with a little research, that merely suggest common sense are being down-voted? this tells an awful lot about this community. stray dogs are still domestic animals. that humans do not consider them as pets, only because they don't have a name, does not matter.
The comparison to postal services is fitting, because territorial invasion is a huge factor... I'd still punch the postman, if he'd spray my dog, only to deliver an invoice, which by itself barely is sane - and only proofs, that some people refuse to realize, that they are the invaders, because they do not realize the territory claimed, eg. by a pack of stray dogs. if they follow one once, one can see where the borderline is, because this is exactly where they will leave off. I find it interesting, that a "trust in authority" answer is the most popular on "The Great Outdoors". SO is rather welcoming.
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How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
1
@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
22 hours ago
2
If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
1
@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
1
@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
17 hours ago
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How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
1
@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
22 hours ago
2
If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
1
@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
1
@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
17 hours ago
How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
How much food one should take for feeding the stray dogs on the way ?
– Shivendra Gupta
22 hours ago
1
1
@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
22 hours ago
@ShivendraGupta a handful is enough already, as bakshish payment in critical situations - it just has to be the tiny stuff, so they need time to pick it all up... while when it is always the same stray dogs, one can even train them to behave. after a while, they will start greeting one (as stated, dogs do remember who once feed them, when they were hungry).
– Martin Zeitler
22 hours ago
2
2
If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
If feeding wild bears is bad, I can't see where feeding wild dogs is good.
– James Jenkins
22 hours ago
1
1
@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
@JanDoggen they can smell food though. And if they've encountered you handing out food before, they might remember (not sure if they can remember specific people) next time you don't carry food. As for remembering, wild monkey in tourist areas tend to understand that humans may carry food. As such, in those areas they will come up looking to steal some food off of you, even if you don't carry food. As such, giving food to wild animals in areas with humans can be a bad idea as it encourages the animals to beg and harass.
– JJJ
17 hours ago
1
1
@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
17 hours ago
@JJJ this also is a comparison with wild animals - while stray dogs in most cases already have a dependency towards humans, this is nothing one would newly introduce. stray dogs already live right within a human society - and they may guard their territory, just as they would if they'd had an owner (no matter if this is a farm's yard or a whole street). besides, most stray dogs are not even too dangerous... and in case of an emergency situation, what you'd prefer, a) some dog food which gives you the time to get away or b) stabbing a dog? a knife equals close combat, including rabies risk.
– Martin Zeitler
17 hours ago
|
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From my personal experience,
- if you see stray dogs then ignore them and don't try to look in their
eyes, they may follow you otherwise. - If dog(s) are barking at you then don't get nervous, just stay normal
and don't try to run, if you run then they will run faster and may
catch you and bite. - Now, if still you are in situation where stray dog are following you,
running for you, or trying to bite you, then use bricks. Usually
places having stray dogs also have bricks/Stones, make sure target the dog
in the head with as much force you can and then run away. - If you have knife then use it or if pepper spray then better, the
aim is to knockdown the dog so that you can run away. - Also if the dog is not seriously injured and still following you then it is better to jump into someone else's home/shop by climbing/jumping doors if need be.
- In case dog killing is not allowed in your country then as suggested by other, always take High Intensity LED Lights, Pepper spray in your pocket.
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From my personal experience,
- if you see stray dogs then ignore them and don't try to look in their
eyes, they may follow you otherwise. - If dog(s) are barking at you then don't get nervous, just stay normal
and don't try to run, if you run then they will run faster and may
catch you and bite. - Now, if still you are in situation where stray dog are following you,
running for you, or trying to bite you, then use bricks. Usually
places having stray dogs also have bricks/Stones, make sure target the dog
in the head with as much force you can and then run away. - If you have knife then use it or if pepper spray then better, the
aim is to knockdown the dog so that you can run away. - Also if the dog is not seriously injured and still following you then it is better to jump into someone else's home/shop by climbing/jumping doors if need be.
- In case dog killing is not allowed in your country then as suggested by other, always take High Intensity LED Lights, Pepper spray in your pocket.
New contributor
add a comment |
From my personal experience,
- if you see stray dogs then ignore them and don't try to look in their
eyes, they may follow you otherwise. - If dog(s) are barking at you then don't get nervous, just stay normal
and don't try to run, if you run then they will run faster and may
catch you and bite. - Now, if still you are in situation where stray dog are following you,
running for you, or trying to bite you, then use bricks. Usually
places having stray dogs also have bricks/Stones, make sure target the dog
in the head with as much force you can and then run away. - If you have knife then use it or if pepper spray then better, the
aim is to knockdown the dog so that you can run away. - Also if the dog is not seriously injured and still following you then it is better to jump into someone else's home/shop by climbing/jumping doors if need be.
- In case dog killing is not allowed in your country then as suggested by other, always take High Intensity LED Lights, Pepper spray in your pocket.
New contributor
From my personal experience,
- if you see stray dogs then ignore them and don't try to look in their
eyes, they may follow you otherwise. - If dog(s) are barking at you then don't get nervous, just stay normal
and don't try to run, if you run then they will run faster and may
catch you and bite. - Now, if still you are in situation where stray dog are following you,
running for you, or trying to bite you, then use bricks. Usually
places having stray dogs also have bricks/Stones, make sure target the dog
in the head with as much force you can and then run away. - If you have knife then use it or if pepper spray then better, the
aim is to knockdown the dog so that you can run away. - Also if the dog is not seriously injured and still following you then it is better to jump into someone else's home/shop by climbing/jumping doors if need be.
- In case dog killing is not allowed in your country then as suggested by other, always take High Intensity LED Lights, Pepper spray in your pocket.
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A knife is a perfectly effective weapon against stray dogs, provided that you are skilled in its use. However it's not something that you can just pick up and expect to be proficient with. You need to know how to keep your footing, how to avoid being bitten, enough dog anatomy to be able to disable one quickly, be in good enough physical condition to use all that knowledge...
A knife is always a useful thing to have with you, but if at all possible you'll find that the various types of mace formulated for discouraging dogs are far easier to use. Save the knife as a backup for in case your can of mace runs dry and the dogpack is still thinking you look tasty. A gun would be better in that case, but I rather assume you wouldn't be asking about a knife if that were an option, and even if it is, have the knife for when there are more dogs than you have bullets and start with the mace if you can since it's gentler on everyone and everything involved.
If a knife really is your only option, you'll want a set of heavy leather vambraces to go with it. These protect your forearms so you're less likely to be injured if you misjudge your attack and the dog clamps its teeth down on your arm. Armoring the rest of yourself wouldn't hurt either, but forearms, shins, and neck are the most important when dealing with dogs since they don't generally have the ability to puncture your torso.
Also consider finding a dog you can practice with. Most dogs love to wrestle. That's how they play with each other. The hard part is making sure you have a clear set of signals so it doesn't get confused and think it's ok to wrestle with other people who won't appreciate it. But like with fighting humans, the only way to learn how to effectively fight a dog is to do a bit of fighting with a dog.
In short, a knife is not a magic wand that will scare a dog away. If it's your only option it's better than nothing, but you need to put the time and effort into learning how to use it if you want it to give you anything more than a false sense of security.
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A knife is a perfectly effective weapon against stray dogs, provided that you are skilled in its use. However it's not something that you can just pick up and expect to be proficient with. You need to know how to keep your footing, how to avoid being bitten, enough dog anatomy to be able to disable one quickly, be in good enough physical condition to use all that knowledge...
A knife is always a useful thing to have with you, but if at all possible you'll find that the various types of mace formulated for discouraging dogs are far easier to use. Save the knife as a backup for in case your can of mace runs dry and the dogpack is still thinking you look tasty. A gun would be better in that case, but I rather assume you wouldn't be asking about a knife if that were an option, and even if it is, have the knife for when there are more dogs than you have bullets and start with the mace if you can since it's gentler on everyone and everything involved.
If a knife really is your only option, you'll want a set of heavy leather vambraces to go with it. These protect your forearms so you're less likely to be injured if you misjudge your attack and the dog clamps its teeth down on your arm. Armoring the rest of yourself wouldn't hurt either, but forearms, shins, and neck are the most important when dealing with dogs since they don't generally have the ability to puncture your torso.
Also consider finding a dog you can practice with. Most dogs love to wrestle. That's how they play with each other. The hard part is making sure you have a clear set of signals so it doesn't get confused and think it's ok to wrestle with other people who won't appreciate it. But like with fighting humans, the only way to learn how to effectively fight a dog is to do a bit of fighting with a dog.
In short, a knife is not a magic wand that will scare a dog away. If it's your only option it's better than nothing, but you need to put the time and effort into learning how to use it if you want it to give you anything more than a false sense of security.
add a comment |
A knife is a perfectly effective weapon against stray dogs, provided that you are skilled in its use. However it's not something that you can just pick up and expect to be proficient with. You need to know how to keep your footing, how to avoid being bitten, enough dog anatomy to be able to disable one quickly, be in good enough physical condition to use all that knowledge...
A knife is always a useful thing to have with you, but if at all possible you'll find that the various types of mace formulated for discouraging dogs are far easier to use. Save the knife as a backup for in case your can of mace runs dry and the dogpack is still thinking you look tasty. A gun would be better in that case, but I rather assume you wouldn't be asking about a knife if that were an option, and even if it is, have the knife for when there are more dogs than you have bullets and start with the mace if you can since it's gentler on everyone and everything involved.
If a knife really is your only option, you'll want a set of heavy leather vambraces to go with it. These protect your forearms so you're less likely to be injured if you misjudge your attack and the dog clamps its teeth down on your arm. Armoring the rest of yourself wouldn't hurt either, but forearms, shins, and neck are the most important when dealing with dogs since they don't generally have the ability to puncture your torso.
Also consider finding a dog you can practice with. Most dogs love to wrestle. That's how they play with each other. The hard part is making sure you have a clear set of signals so it doesn't get confused and think it's ok to wrestle with other people who won't appreciate it. But like with fighting humans, the only way to learn how to effectively fight a dog is to do a bit of fighting with a dog.
In short, a knife is not a magic wand that will scare a dog away. If it's your only option it's better than nothing, but you need to put the time and effort into learning how to use it if you want it to give you anything more than a false sense of security.
A knife is a perfectly effective weapon against stray dogs, provided that you are skilled in its use. However it's not something that you can just pick up and expect to be proficient with. You need to know how to keep your footing, how to avoid being bitten, enough dog anatomy to be able to disable one quickly, be in good enough physical condition to use all that knowledge...
A knife is always a useful thing to have with you, but if at all possible you'll find that the various types of mace formulated for discouraging dogs are far easier to use. Save the knife as a backup for in case your can of mace runs dry and the dogpack is still thinking you look tasty. A gun would be better in that case, but I rather assume you wouldn't be asking about a knife if that were an option, and even if it is, have the knife for when there are more dogs than you have bullets and start with the mace if you can since it's gentler on everyone and everything involved.
If a knife really is your only option, you'll want a set of heavy leather vambraces to go with it. These protect your forearms so you're less likely to be injured if you misjudge your attack and the dog clamps its teeth down on your arm. Armoring the rest of yourself wouldn't hurt either, but forearms, shins, and neck are the most important when dealing with dogs since they don't generally have the ability to puncture your torso.
Also consider finding a dog you can practice with. Most dogs love to wrestle. That's how they play with each other. The hard part is making sure you have a clear set of signals so it doesn't get confused and think it's ok to wrestle with other people who won't appreciate it. But like with fighting humans, the only way to learn how to effectively fight a dog is to do a bit of fighting with a dog.
In short, a knife is not a magic wand that will scare a dog away. If it's your only option it's better than nothing, but you need to put the time and effort into learning how to use it if you want it to give you anything more than a false sense of security.
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You haven't said what country you are talking about. Don't try this in Britain - you will end up in jail. In fact don't bring a knife to Britain.
Selling, buying and carrying knives The maximum penalty for an adult
carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine.
You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife
more than once. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Most dogs have an owner. They are used to being told what to do by humans. Know the local words for "sit" and "go home". Say one or other of these firmly (not angrily or shouting). If in doubt say phrases in your own language but with conviction.
Running will cause any dog to chase - Even a small dog can run faster than Usain Bolt so don't do it unless there is a gate or similar very nearby that you can get behind.
Shouting and waving your arms or acting in a threatening manner will frighten a timid dog but it may cause an aggressive dog to attack.
There is only one way to deal with a dog and that is to maintain a calm demeanour and upright posture. Do not try to use dog-language (e.g. by growling - this will cause it to become more aggressive) speak to it as a disapproving human and assume that it will obey.
If a dog actually attacks and is biting you then you have no option - you have to defend yourself. However do so in a calculated way. Control it by grabbing its collar and twisting so as to choke it. If there is no collar grab by the scruff. Then kick or hit in a soft/vulnerable spot. Poke in the eyes, kick in the windpipe, etc.
Note
If you get to this last stage then you are already getting hurt so don't sue me if it goes wrong! It was going to anyway!
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You haven't said what country you are talking about. Don't try this in Britain - you will end up in jail. In fact don't bring a knife to Britain.
Selling, buying and carrying knives The maximum penalty for an adult
carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine.
You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife
more than once. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Most dogs have an owner. They are used to being told what to do by humans. Know the local words for "sit" and "go home". Say one or other of these firmly (not angrily or shouting). If in doubt say phrases in your own language but with conviction.
Running will cause any dog to chase - Even a small dog can run faster than Usain Bolt so don't do it unless there is a gate or similar very nearby that you can get behind.
Shouting and waving your arms or acting in a threatening manner will frighten a timid dog but it may cause an aggressive dog to attack.
There is only one way to deal with a dog and that is to maintain a calm demeanour and upright posture. Do not try to use dog-language (e.g. by growling - this will cause it to become more aggressive) speak to it as a disapproving human and assume that it will obey.
If a dog actually attacks and is biting you then you have no option - you have to defend yourself. However do so in a calculated way. Control it by grabbing its collar and twisting so as to choke it. If there is no collar grab by the scruff. Then kick or hit in a soft/vulnerable spot. Poke in the eyes, kick in the windpipe, etc.
Note
If you get to this last stage then you are already getting hurt so don't sue me if it goes wrong! It was going to anyway!
add a comment |
You haven't said what country you are talking about. Don't try this in Britain - you will end up in jail. In fact don't bring a knife to Britain.
Selling, buying and carrying knives The maximum penalty for an adult
carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine.
You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife
more than once. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Most dogs have an owner. They are used to being told what to do by humans. Know the local words for "sit" and "go home". Say one or other of these firmly (not angrily or shouting). If in doubt say phrases in your own language but with conviction.
Running will cause any dog to chase - Even a small dog can run faster than Usain Bolt so don't do it unless there is a gate or similar very nearby that you can get behind.
Shouting and waving your arms or acting in a threatening manner will frighten a timid dog but it may cause an aggressive dog to attack.
There is only one way to deal with a dog and that is to maintain a calm demeanour and upright posture. Do not try to use dog-language (e.g. by growling - this will cause it to become more aggressive) speak to it as a disapproving human and assume that it will obey.
If a dog actually attacks and is biting you then you have no option - you have to defend yourself. However do so in a calculated way. Control it by grabbing its collar and twisting so as to choke it. If there is no collar grab by the scruff. Then kick or hit in a soft/vulnerable spot. Poke in the eyes, kick in the windpipe, etc.
Note
If you get to this last stage then you are already getting hurt so don't sue me if it goes wrong! It was going to anyway!
You haven't said what country you are talking about. Don't try this in Britain - you will end up in jail. In fact don't bring a knife to Britain.
Selling, buying and carrying knives The maximum penalty for an adult
carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine.
You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife
more than once. https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives
Most dogs have an owner. They are used to being told what to do by humans. Know the local words for "sit" and "go home". Say one or other of these firmly (not angrily or shouting). If in doubt say phrases in your own language but with conviction.
Running will cause any dog to chase - Even a small dog can run faster than Usain Bolt so don't do it unless there is a gate or similar very nearby that you can get behind.
Shouting and waving your arms or acting in a threatening manner will frighten a timid dog but it may cause an aggressive dog to attack.
There is only one way to deal with a dog and that is to maintain a calm demeanour and upright posture. Do not try to use dog-language (e.g. by growling - this will cause it to become more aggressive) speak to it as a disapproving human and assume that it will obey.
If a dog actually attacks and is biting you then you have no option - you have to defend yourself. However do so in a calculated way. Control it by grabbing its collar and twisting so as to choke it. If there is no collar grab by the scruff. Then kick or hit in a soft/vulnerable spot. Poke in the eyes, kick in the windpipe, etc.
Note
If you get to this last stage then you are already getting hurt so don't sue me if it goes wrong! It was going to anyway!
edited 9 hours ago
answered 9 hours ago
chasly from UKchasly from UK
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Are we to assume that carrying weapons is legal in this city?
– David Richerby
yesterday
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Can a knife be used? sure; Effectively? probably, more so if you have training. Legally? unlikely; but you've not said the location. Is it the best? Another question entirely. Perhaps the better question is "What is the best way to defend against stray dogs"?
– UKMonkey
yesterday
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I would use a telescopic baton instead. It should be much safer and more effective and should enable you to hit the dog before it hits you. (It is as legal as a knife here, but might not be in your location. For a knife to be effective, you would likely need a large fixed blade one and those also tend to be banned where telecopic batons are.)
– Vladimir F
yesterday
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@d-b millions of people are bitten by dogs in the US about.usps.com/postal-bulletin/2007/html/pb22205/… every year
– Charlie Brumbaugh
yesterday
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@CharlieBrumbaugh How many of these attacks are spontaneous? Dogs very rarely walk up to a human and bite.
– d-b
yesterday