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Perfect 4th is dissonant?
“The intervals considered dissonant have changed since the 'Middle Ages'”; How so?Consonance/Dissonance of 5th according to the explanation of 4thIs there a known point in history where dissonance became acceptable?Is there a name for this phenomenon in the circle of fifths?“Tritone” intervals in n-tone equal temperamentWhy is a major second not called a perfect second?Dissonant notes extremely panned - what is that I hear?Why the specific pattern of white keys on a standard piano?“The intervals considered dissonant have changed since the 'Middle Ages'”; How so?Why is the hexatonic scale that can be derived via a chain of perfect fifths so little-known?Close transposition but want to avoid dissonanceHow to properly unresolve melodies to achieve dissonance and darkness in music
Why is the perfect fourth dissonant in some cases when it does not sound dissonant? When I play it in closed position, it does not sound dissonant at all. When I play it as a compound interval, I would kind of agree an extremely excessively tiny bit. Why is it considered a dissonance sometimes when it actually does not?
theory intervals consonance-and-dissonance
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Why is the perfect fourth dissonant in some cases when it does not sound dissonant? When I play it in closed position, it does not sound dissonant at all. When I play it as a compound interval, I would kind of agree an extremely excessively tiny bit. Why is it considered a dissonance sometimes when it actually does not?
theory intervals consonance-and-dissonance
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
This might have the answer you want: music.stackexchange.com/questions/64984/…
– Mirlan
Mar 19 at 5:39
Highly related: music.stackexchange.com/questions/67061/…
– Dom♦
Mar 19 at 5:42
It will depend what instrument/tuning it gets played on. Give us a clue at least.
– Tim
Mar 19 at 7:35
@Tim I think it's reasonable to assume 12-TET here, and I doubt the instrument would make a huge impact on its consonance.
– user45266
2 days ago
@Tim: It doesn't depend on the instrument except in artificial circumstances (no musical context) and with untrained listeners. What it really depends on is musical context.
– Ben Crowell
2 days ago
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Why is the perfect fourth dissonant in some cases when it does not sound dissonant? When I play it in closed position, it does not sound dissonant at all. When I play it as a compound interval, I would kind of agree an extremely excessively tiny bit. Why is it considered a dissonance sometimes when it actually does not?
theory intervals consonance-and-dissonance
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
Why is the perfect fourth dissonant in some cases when it does not sound dissonant? When I play it in closed position, it does not sound dissonant at all. When I play it as a compound interval, I would kind of agree an extremely excessively tiny bit. Why is it considered a dissonance sometimes when it actually does not?
theory intervals consonance-and-dissonance
theory intervals consonance-and-dissonance
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
asked Mar 19 at 5:28
Maika SakuranomiyaMaika Sakuranomiya
9071430
9071430
This might have the answer you want: music.stackexchange.com/questions/64984/…
– Mirlan
Mar 19 at 5:39
Highly related: music.stackexchange.com/questions/67061/…
– Dom♦
Mar 19 at 5:42
It will depend what instrument/tuning it gets played on. Give us a clue at least.
– Tim
Mar 19 at 7:35
@Tim I think it's reasonable to assume 12-TET here, and I doubt the instrument would make a huge impact on its consonance.
– user45266
2 days ago
@Tim: It doesn't depend on the instrument except in artificial circumstances (no musical context) and with untrained listeners. What it really depends on is musical context.
– Ben Crowell
2 days ago
|
show 1 more comment
This might have the answer you want: music.stackexchange.com/questions/64984/…
– Mirlan
Mar 19 at 5:39
Highly related: music.stackexchange.com/questions/67061/…
– Dom♦
Mar 19 at 5:42
It will depend what instrument/tuning it gets played on. Give us a clue at least.
– Tim
Mar 19 at 7:35
@Tim I think it's reasonable to assume 12-TET here, and I doubt the instrument would make a huge impact on its consonance.
– user45266
2 days ago
@Tim: It doesn't depend on the instrument except in artificial circumstances (no musical context) and with untrained listeners. What it really depends on is musical context.
– Ben Crowell
2 days ago
This might have the answer you want: music.stackexchange.com/questions/64984/…
– Mirlan
Mar 19 at 5:39
This might have the answer you want: music.stackexchange.com/questions/64984/…
– Mirlan
Mar 19 at 5:39
Highly related: music.stackexchange.com/questions/67061/…
– Dom♦
Mar 19 at 5:42
Highly related: music.stackexchange.com/questions/67061/…
– Dom♦
Mar 19 at 5:42
It will depend what instrument/tuning it gets played on. Give us a clue at least.
– Tim
Mar 19 at 7:35
It will depend what instrument/tuning it gets played on. Give us a clue at least.
– Tim
Mar 19 at 7:35
@Tim I think it's reasonable to assume 12-TET here, and I doubt the instrument would make a huge impact on its consonance.
– user45266
2 days ago
@Tim I think it's reasonable to assume 12-TET here, and I doubt the instrument would make a huge impact on its consonance.
– user45266
2 days ago
@Tim: It doesn't depend on the instrument except in artificial circumstances (no musical context) and with untrained listeners. What it really depends on is musical context.
– Ben Crowell
2 days ago
@Tim: It doesn't depend on the instrument except in artificial circumstances (no musical context) and with untrained listeners. What it really depends on is musical context.
– Ben Crowell
2 days ago
|
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Dissonance has no universal definition but depends on style and context.
For example, the perfect fourth is a dissonance in the context of species counterpoint. Whether it sounds pleasant, subjectively, is irrelevant: in that domain, it behaves as a dissonance, that must be resolved through falling by step. Again the everyday definition of dissonance is not involved here. In this context, the word dissonant indicates a tension function: the music cannot stop on this note, it must resolve according to the rules of the style.
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The consonance of the Perfect Fourth, like all intervals, depends on context. In this video, there's a great example of perfect fourths sounding really dissonant.
Also, certain styles of music treat it different ways. Consonance and dissonance are largely context and culture related in nature, and though people have attempted to quantify them, they really can't be pinned down, other than the ubiquitous "it sounds like...".
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
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The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
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Dissonance has no universal definition but depends on style and context.
For example, the perfect fourth is a dissonance in the context of species counterpoint. Whether it sounds pleasant, subjectively, is irrelevant: in that domain, it behaves as a dissonance, that must be resolved through falling by step. Again the everyday definition of dissonance is not involved here. In this context, the word dissonant indicates a tension function: the music cannot stop on this note, it must resolve according to the rules of the style.
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Dissonance has no universal definition but depends on style and context.
For example, the perfect fourth is a dissonance in the context of species counterpoint. Whether it sounds pleasant, subjectively, is irrelevant: in that domain, it behaves as a dissonance, that must be resolved through falling by step. Again the everyday definition of dissonance is not involved here. In this context, the word dissonant indicates a tension function: the music cannot stop on this note, it must resolve according to the rules of the style.
answered Mar 19 at 5:39
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Dissonance has no universal definition but depends on style and context.
For example, the perfect fourth is a dissonance in the context of species counterpoint. Whether it sounds pleasant, subjectively, is irrelevant: in that domain, it behaves as a dissonance, that must be resolved through falling by step. Again the everyday definition of dissonance is not involved here. In this context, the word dissonant indicates a tension function: the music cannot stop on this note, it must resolve according to the rules of the style.
answered Mar 19 at 5:39
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Dissonance has no universal definition but depends on style and context.
For example, the perfect fourth is a dissonance in the context of species counterpoint. Whether it sounds pleasant, subjectively, is irrelevant: in that domain, it behaves as a dissonance, that must be resolved through falling by step. Again the everyday definition of dissonance is not involved here. In this context, the word dissonant indicates a tension function: the music cannot stop on this note, it must resolve according to the rules of the style.
answered Mar 19 at 5:39
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The consonance of the Perfect Fourth, like all intervals, depends on context. In this video, there's a great example of perfect fourths sounding really dissonant.
Also, certain styles of music treat it different ways. Consonance and dissonance are largely context and culture related in nature, and though people have attempted to quantify them, they really can't be pinned down, other than the ubiquitous "it sounds like...".
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
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The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
add a comment |
The consonance of the Perfect Fourth, like all intervals, depends on context. In this video, there's a great example of perfect fourths sounding really dissonant.
Also, certain styles of music treat it different ways. Consonance and dissonance are largely context and culture related in nature, and though people have attempted to quantify them, they really can't be pinned down, other than the ubiquitous "it sounds like...".
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
3,5551734
The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
add a comment |
The consonance of the Perfect Fourth, like all intervals, depends on context. In this video, there's a great example of perfect fourths sounding really dissonant.
Also, certain styles of music treat it different ways. Consonance and dissonance are largely context and culture related in nature, and though people have attempted to quantify them, they really can't be pinned down, other than the ubiquitous "it sounds like...".
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
3,5551734
The consonance of the Perfect Fourth, like all intervals, depends on context. In this video, there's a great example of perfect fourths sounding really dissonant.
Also, certain styles of music treat it different ways. Consonance and dissonance are largely context and culture related in nature, and though people have attempted to quantify them, they really can't be pinned down, other than the ubiquitous "it sounds like...".
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
3,5551734
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
3,5551734
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
3,5551734
answered Mar 19 at 22:39
user45266user45266
3,5551734
3,5551734
The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
add a comment |
The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
The perceived dissonance of the fourth is, I believe, ultimately related to its nonexistence in the harmonic series upwards from the fundamental tone. It's first iteration is of course 3 to 4, and we naturally hear 4, the fundamental tone, as wanting to be at the bottom of the interval. But that's just my nerdy geometric opinion.
– Scott Wallace
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
@ScottWallace Wow, I never considered that. I would upvote that as an answer!
– user45266
2 days ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
Nice answer, 45266! Compared to the tritone, m2, M2, m7, and M7, the P4 sounds very consonant to me. Also, that girl in the thumbnail looks nice.
– Maika Sakuranomiya
21 hours ago
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This might have the answer you want: music.stackexchange.com/questions/64984/…
– Mirlan
Mar 19 at 5:39
Highly related: music.stackexchange.com/questions/67061/…
– Dom♦
Mar 19 at 5:42
It will depend what instrument/tuning it gets played on. Give us a clue at least.
– Tim
Mar 19 at 7:35
@Tim I think it's reasonable to assume 12-TET here, and I doubt the instrument would make a huge impact on its consonance.
– user45266
2 days ago
@Tim: It doesn't depend on the instrument except in artificial circumstances (no musical context) and with untrained listeners. What it really depends on is musical context.
– Ben Crowell
2 days ago