Does Otiluke's Resilient Sphere beat Magic Circle? Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)Magic Circle: What doesn't fall under “non-magical means”?Can players use ranged attacks or spells while within the Magic Circle against Evil?Can a wizard use offensive spells and effects from inside a Resilient Sphere?What is the range for the protections granted by an inverted Magic Circle?Moving Otiluke's Resilient SphereDo you take fall damage while inside Otiluke's Resilient Sphere?Can an inverted Magic Circle be used as a booby trap against fiends?Can you Wish to teleport someone into a reversed Magic Circle?Does Silence cancel a readied spell?Is escaping from a cage-shaped Forcecage really as ridiculously easy as it seems?Does Magic Circle prevent unarmed melee attacks from crossing the circle's perimeter?
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Does Otiluke's Resilient Sphere beat Magic Circle?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)Magic Circle: What doesn't fall under “non-magical means”?Can players use ranged attacks or spells while within the Magic Circle against Evil?Can a wizard use offensive spells and effects from inside a Resilient Sphere?What is the range for the protections granted by an inverted Magic Circle?Moving Otiluke's Resilient SphereDo you take fall damage while inside Otiluke's Resilient Sphere?Can an inverted Magic Circle be used as a booby trap against fiends?Can you Wish to teleport someone into a reversed Magic Circle?Does Silence cancel a readied spell?Is escaping from a cage-shaped Forcecage really as ridiculously easy as it seems?Does Magic Circle prevent unarmed melee attacks from crossing the circle's perimeter?
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Magic Circle has the following effect on creatures of a specified type:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means. If the creature tries to use teleportation or interplanar travel to do so, it must first succeed on a Charisma saving throw.
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere states:
Nothing - not physical objects, energy, or other spell effects - can pass through the barrier, in or out, though a creature in the sphere can breathe there.
Does the quoted effect from the Sphere beat the quoted effect from the Circle? In other words, could a creature of a type affected by a cast Magic Circle enclose itself in an Otiluke's Resilient Sphere and freely roll themselves into the cylinder of the Magic Circle?
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Magic Circle has the following effect on creatures of a specified type:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means. If the creature tries to use teleportation or interplanar travel to do so, it must first succeed on a Charisma saving throw.
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere states:
Nothing - not physical objects, energy, or other spell effects - can pass through the barrier, in or out, though a creature in the sphere can breathe there.
Does the quoted effect from the Sphere beat the quoted effect from the Circle? In other words, could a creature of a type affected by a cast Magic Circle enclose itself in an Otiluke's Resilient Sphere and freely roll themselves into the cylinder of the Magic Circle?
dnd-5e spells
edited Apr 5 at 21:05
V2Blast
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asked Apr 5 at 9:14
VigilVigil
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they see me rollin', they hatin' ...
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– PixelMaster
Apr 5 at 9:55
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@PixelMaster and, of course, the Weird Al version "Got skills, I'm a champion at D and D". The circle is complete.
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– Reginald Blue
Apr 5 at 14:12
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Magic Circle has the following effect on creatures of a specified type:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means. If the creature tries to use teleportation or interplanar travel to do so, it must first succeed on a Charisma saving throw.
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere states:
Nothing - not physical objects, energy, or other spell effects - can pass through the barrier, in or out, though a creature in the sphere can breathe there.
Does the quoted effect from the Sphere beat the quoted effect from the Circle? In other words, could a creature of a type affected by a cast Magic Circle enclose itself in an Otiluke's Resilient Sphere and freely roll themselves into the cylinder of the Magic Circle?
dnd-5e spells
edited Apr 5 at 21:05
V2Blast
27.6k598168
asked Apr 5 at 9:14
VigilVigil
7,0683286
$endgroup$
Magic Circle has the following effect on creatures of a specified type:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means. If the creature tries to use teleportation or interplanar travel to do so, it must first succeed on a Charisma saving throw.
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere states:
Nothing - not physical objects, energy, or other spell effects - can pass through the barrier, in or out, though a creature in the sphere can breathe there.
Does the quoted effect from the Sphere beat the quoted effect from the Circle? In other words, could a creature of a type affected by a cast Magic Circle enclose itself in an Otiluke's Resilient Sphere and freely roll themselves into the cylinder of the Magic Circle?
dnd-5e spells
dnd-5e spells
edited Apr 5 at 21:05
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asked Apr 5 at 9:14
VigilVigil
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they see me rollin', they hatin' ...
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– PixelMaster
Apr 5 at 9:55
1
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@PixelMaster and, of course, the Weird Al version "Got skills, I'm a champion at D and D". The circle is complete.
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– Reginald Blue
Apr 5 at 14:12
add a comment |
11
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they see me rollin', they hatin' ...
$endgroup$
– PixelMaster
Apr 5 at 9:55
1
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@PixelMaster and, of course, the Weird Al version "Got skills, I'm a champion at D and D". The circle is complete.
$endgroup$
– Reginald Blue
Apr 5 at 14:12
11
11
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they see me rollin', they hatin' ...
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– PixelMaster
Apr 5 at 9:55
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they see me rollin', they hatin' ...
$endgroup$
– PixelMaster
Apr 5 at 9:55
1
1
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@PixelMaster and, of course, the Weird Al version "Got skills, I'm a champion at D and D". The circle is complete.
$endgroup$
– Reginald Blue
Apr 5 at 14:12
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@PixelMaster and, of course, the Weird Al version "Got skills, I'm a champion at D and D". The circle is complete.
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– Reginald Blue
Apr 5 at 14:12
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Yes, you can enter the circle
The resilient sphere effectively excludes anything it encloses from outside spell effect areas. As the effect of the magic circle originates outside, it does not have any effect on a creature rolling inside the sphere, as it is not considered to be in its area of effect.
answered Apr 5 at 13:02
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Based on an entirely legalistic reading of the spell descriptions, it seems as if they do not interact in any meaningful way.
Specifically:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means.
Rolling oneself across the barrier of said circle within a magically conjured resilient sphere is, arguably, a magical means of entry and so unaffected by the prohibition. It's also not a form of teleportation or interplanar travel, so it wouldn't even require a Charisma check.
Extension of this particular semantic argument to a broader scope would suggest that one can also freely enter the cylinder provided one levitates in, spider-climbs in, or walks across while wearing magic shoes. Obviously, this is deeply silly.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no more authoritative answer is available. It is very difficult to effectively prove a negative, but I have not been able to find any (e.g, designer's) statement on the interaction of these two spells. That may change; until it does, all you can do is choose to rule it (presumably differently from said ridiculous legalistic interpretation) according to your taste.
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
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Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
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– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
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@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
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– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
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Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
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– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
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Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
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– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
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How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
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– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
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Yes, you can enter the circle
The resilient sphere effectively excludes anything it encloses from outside spell effect areas. As the effect of the magic circle originates outside, it does not have any effect on a creature rolling inside the sphere, as it is not considered to be in its area of effect.
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Yes, you can enter the circle
The resilient sphere effectively excludes anything it encloses from outside spell effect areas. As the effect of the magic circle originates outside, it does not have any effect on a creature rolling inside the sphere, as it is not considered to be in its area of effect.
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Yes, you can enter the circle
The resilient sphere effectively excludes anything it encloses from outside spell effect areas. As the effect of the magic circle originates outside, it does not have any effect on a creature rolling inside the sphere, as it is not considered to be in its area of effect.
answered Apr 5 at 13:02
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Yes, you can enter the circle
The resilient sphere effectively excludes anything it encloses from outside spell effect areas. As the effect of the magic circle originates outside, it does not have any effect on a creature rolling inside the sphere, as it is not considered to be in its area of effect.
answered Apr 5 at 13:02
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Based on an entirely legalistic reading of the spell descriptions, it seems as if they do not interact in any meaningful way.
Specifically:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means.
Rolling oneself across the barrier of said circle within a magically conjured resilient sphere is, arguably, a magical means of entry and so unaffected by the prohibition. It's also not a form of teleportation or interplanar travel, so it wouldn't even require a Charisma check.
Extension of this particular semantic argument to a broader scope would suggest that one can also freely enter the cylinder provided one levitates in, spider-climbs in, or walks across while wearing magic shoes. Obviously, this is deeply silly.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no more authoritative answer is available. It is very difficult to effectively prove a negative, but I have not been able to find any (e.g, designer's) statement on the interaction of these two spells. That may change; until it does, all you can do is choose to rule it (presumably differently from said ridiculous legalistic interpretation) according to your taste.
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
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Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
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– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
4
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@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
$endgroup$
– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
1
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Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
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– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
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Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
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– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
1
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How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
|
show 3 more comments
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Based on an entirely legalistic reading of the spell descriptions, it seems as if they do not interact in any meaningful way.
Specifically:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means.
Rolling oneself across the barrier of said circle within a magically conjured resilient sphere is, arguably, a magical means of entry and so unaffected by the prohibition. It's also not a form of teleportation or interplanar travel, so it wouldn't even require a Charisma check.
Extension of this particular semantic argument to a broader scope would suggest that one can also freely enter the cylinder provided one levitates in, spider-climbs in, or walks across while wearing magic shoes. Obviously, this is deeply silly.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no more authoritative answer is available. It is very difficult to effectively prove a negative, but I have not been able to find any (e.g, designer's) statement on the interaction of these two spells. That may change; until it does, all you can do is choose to rule it (presumably differently from said ridiculous legalistic interpretation) according to your taste.
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
3,6971733
$endgroup$
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Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
4
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@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
$endgroup$
– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
1
$begingroup$
Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
$begingroup$
Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
1
$begingroup$
How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
|
show 3 more comments
$begingroup$
Based on an entirely legalistic reading of the spell descriptions, it seems as if they do not interact in any meaningful way.
Specifically:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means.
Rolling oneself across the barrier of said circle within a magically conjured resilient sphere is, arguably, a magical means of entry and so unaffected by the prohibition. It's also not a form of teleportation or interplanar travel, so it wouldn't even require a Charisma check.
Extension of this particular semantic argument to a broader scope would suggest that one can also freely enter the cylinder provided one levitates in, spider-climbs in, or walks across while wearing magic shoes. Obviously, this is deeply silly.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no more authoritative answer is available. It is very difficult to effectively prove a negative, but I have not been able to find any (e.g, designer's) statement on the interaction of these two spells. That may change; until it does, all you can do is choose to rule it (presumably differently from said ridiculous legalistic interpretation) according to your taste.
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
3,6971733
$endgroup$
Based on an entirely legalistic reading of the spell descriptions, it seems as if they do not interact in any meaningful way.
Specifically:
The creature can't willingly enter the cylinder by nonmagical means.
Rolling oneself across the barrier of said circle within a magically conjured resilient sphere is, arguably, a magical means of entry and so unaffected by the prohibition. It's also not a form of teleportation or interplanar travel, so it wouldn't even require a Charisma check.
Extension of this particular semantic argument to a broader scope would suggest that one can also freely enter the cylinder provided one levitates in, spider-climbs in, or walks across while wearing magic shoes. Obviously, this is deeply silly.
Unfortunately, to the best of my knowledge no more authoritative answer is available. It is very difficult to effectively prove a negative, but I have not been able to find any (e.g, designer's) statement on the interaction of these two spells. That may change; until it does, all you can do is choose to rule it (presumably differently from said ridiculous legalistic interpretation) according to your taste.
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
3,6971733
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
edited Apr 5 at 21:06
V2Blast
27.6k598168
27.6k598168
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
3,6971733
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
3,6971733
answered Apr 5 at 11:15
a computing puna computing pun
3,6971733
3,6971733
1
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Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
4
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@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
$endgroup$
– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
1
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Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
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Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
1
$begingroup$
How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
|
show 3 more comments
1
$begingroup$
Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
4
$begingroup$
@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
$endgroup$
– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
1
$begingroup$
Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
$begingroup$
Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
1
$begingroup$
How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
1
1
$begingroup$
Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
$begingroup$
Aren't cylinders closed at the top and bottom? Levitating in shouldn't work
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:26
4
4
$begingroup$
@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
$endgroup$
– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
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@PierreCathé Because it's a magical means, not because they'd go over the circle.
$endgroup$
– Miniman
Apr 5 at 11:37
1
1
$begingroup$
Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
$begingroup$
Ah my bad, that seems legally correct, although it feels wrong
$endgroup$
– Pierre Cathé
Apr 5 at 11:40
$begingroup$
Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
$begingroup$
Thanks for the answer. Is there anything to suggest whether or not, if hypothetically this legalistic interpretation did not mean you could use any non-teleportation magic to enter the cylinder, that the Sphere blocking spell effects would be a separate reason it (and not, e.g. Levitate) could get you into the Circle?
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Apr 5 at 12:58
1
1
$begingroup$
How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
$begingroup$
How is walking wearing magic shoes not a nonmagical mean? The shoes don't enable the walking (unlike how levitating, rolling on a sphere, and spider-climbing necessitate the magic for the action).
$endgroup$
– David Coffron
Apr 5 at 13:11
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they see me rollin', they hatin' ...
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– PixelMaster
Apr 5 at 9:55
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@PixelMaster and, of course, the Weird Al version "Got skills, I'm a champion at D and D". The circle is complete.
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– Reginald Blue
Apr 5 at 14:12