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What is a clear way to write a bar that has an extra beat?
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 23, 2019 at 23:30 UTC (7:30pm US/Eastern)Lead sheets / fake sheets without scoreSources for sight-reading exercises that focus on subdivisions (emphasis on drums)Debussy: Reflets dans l'eau: Rhythm AmbiguityCounting a 16th note rhythm with breaksCorrect way of notating syncopationWhat is the most player-friendly way to write a note played through an entire bar of 13/8 time?Alternative or more advanced methods for counting rhythmsProper way to count beatsWhat can one do to understand time signatures?How does 'meter' differ from 'rhythm' in music?
If I have a simple 4/4 piece and at some point, for some reason, I delay the rhythm by 1 beat. How do I notate that particular irregularity on the staff?
I think having a bar with 5/4 without writing any extra notation would be really hard to read.
An example can be found in "Love Of My Life" by Queen. In this video it happens at 0:54.
If you count the whole verse 1, the piano part at 0:54 will sound off-beat and the verse 2 will start on beat 2 instead of 1.
notation rhythm
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If I have a simple 4/4 piece and at some point, for some reason, I delay the rhythm by 1 beat. How do I notate that particular irregularity on the staff?
I think having a bar with 5/4 without writing any extra notation would be really hard to read.
An example can be found in "Love Of My Life" by Queen. In this video it happens at 0:54.
If you count the whole verse 1, the piano part at 0:54 will sound off-beat and the verse 2 will start on beat 2 instead of 1.
notation rhythm
edited Apr 5 at 3:33
AduyummY
11412
asked Apr 5 at 0:08
XandruXandru
542312
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It's done all the time in music. Go check out Stravinsky or Copland.
– Carl Witthoft
Apr 5 at 12:58
add a comment |
If I have a simple 4/4 piece and at some point, for some reason, I delay the rhythm by 1 beat. How do I notate that particular irregularity on the staff?
I think having a bar with 5/4 without writing any extra notation would be really hard to read.
An example can be found in "Love Of My Life" by Queen. In this video it happens at 0:54.
If you count the whole verse 1, the piano part at 0:54 will sound off-beat and the verse 2 will start on beat 2 instead of 1.
notation rhythm
edited Apr 5 at 3:33
AduyummY
11412
asked Apr 5 at 0:08
XandruXandru
542312
If I have a simple 4/4 piece and at some point, for some reason, I delay the rhythm by 1 beat. How do I notate that particular irregularity on the staff?
I think having a bar with 5/4 without writing any extra notation would be really hard to read.
An example can be found in "Love Of My Life" by Queen. In this video it happens at 0:54.
If you count the whole verse 1, the piano part at 0:54 will sound off-beat and the verse 2 will start on beat 2 instead of 1.
notation rhythm
notation rhythm
edited Apr 5 at 3:33
AduyummY
11412
asked Apr 5 at 0:08
XandruXandru
542312
edited Apr 5 at 3:33
AduyummY
11412
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XandruXandru
542312
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AduyummY
11412
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AduyummY
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edited Apr 5 at 3:33
AduyummY
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11412
asked Apr 5 at 0:08
XandruXandru
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asked Apr 5 at 0:08
XandruXandru
542312
asked Apr 5 at 0:08
XandruXandru
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542312
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It's done all the time in music. Go check out Stravinsky or Copland.
– Carl Witthoft
Apr 5 at 12:58
add a comment |
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It's done all the time in music. Go check out Stravinsky or Copland.
– Carl Witthoft
Apr 5 at 12:58
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1
It's done all the time in music. Go check out Stravinsky or Copland.
– Carl Witthoft
Apr 5 at 12:58
It's done all the time in music. Go check out Stravinsky or Copland.
– Carl Witthoft
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If the music changes time signature, just write the new time signature:
You could also write a fermata over the beat in question and put a half-note above it to clarify the desired length, but this only makes sense if the extra beat can be understood as a pause.
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
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In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
4
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
5
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
add a comment |
You could also have a pickup measure at the start of your piece if that extra beat happens to be the first beat of your song. They look like: 
Note also that if you do this, convention dictates that the last measure of the piece be shorter by the amount you added to the beginning (but recently, this convention's been on the decline in modern music).
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
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I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
2
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
1
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
1
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
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There are also cases where composers choose to have no time signature at all, thereby suggesting that the number of beats per measure may vary. One example for that would be Samuel Barber's The Crucifixion, from Hermit Songs.
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
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211
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
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If the music changes time signature, just write the new time signature:
You could also write a fermata over the beat in question and put a half-note above it to clarify the desired length, but this only makes sense if the extra beat can be understood as a pause.
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
4,5901632
1
In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
4
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
5
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
add a comment |
If the music changes time signature, just write the new time signature:
You could also write a fermata over the beat in question and put a half-note above it to clarify the desired length, but this only makes sense if the extra beat can be understood as a pause.
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
4,5901632
1
In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
4
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
5
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
add a comment |
If the music changes time signature, just write the new time signature:
You could also write a fermata over the beat in question and put a half-note above it to clarify the desired length, but this only makes sense if the extra beat can be understood as a pause.
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
4,5901632
If the music changes time signature, just write the new time signature:
You could also write a fermata over the beat in question and put a half-note above it to clarify the desired length, but this only makes sense if the extra beat can be understood as a pause.
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
4,5901632
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
4,5901632
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
4,5901632
answered Apr 5 at 0:13
repletereplete
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In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
4
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
5
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
add a comment |
1
In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
4
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
5
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
1
1
In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
In the Quenn example, the instrumental filling at 0:54 sounds like a 4/4 started on beat 2 of the voice, and the voice than starts on beat 1 of the instrumental, so you have one extra beat somewhere.. where?
– Xandru
Apr 5 at 0:21
4
4
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
MuseScore notation for the Queen song is found by Google. There's a bar in 3/4 at the point you mention. I tried to answer the question generally, as specific transcription questions tend to be closed.
– replete
Apr 5 at 0:30
5
5
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
When writing sheet music, you should want to make it as clear to the performer as possible what is going on. Not changing time signatures in this case would just be misleading. If you change time signatures in the piece (which is what is happening by adding an extra beat to one bar), then notate it appropriately. If its not a true beat, and the note is just held longer, as the answer says, a fermata is fine.
– SaggingRufus
Apr 5 at 10:41
add a comment |
You could also have a pickup measure at the start of your piece if that extra beat happens to be the first beat of your song. They look like:
Note also that if you do this, convention dictates that the last measure of the piece be shorter by the amount you added to the beginning (but recently, this convention's been on the decline in modern music).
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
2
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
1
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
1
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
|
show 1 more comment
You could also have a pickup measure at the start of your piece if that extra beat happens to be the first beat of your song. They look like:
Note also that if you do this, convention dictates that the last measure of the piece be shorter by the amount you added to the beginning (but recently, this convention's been on the decline in modern music).
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
2
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
1
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
1
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
|
show 1 more comment
You could also have a pickup measure at the start of your piece if that extra beat happens to be the first beat of your song. They look like:
Note also that if you do this, convention dictates that the last measure of the piece be shorter by the amount you added to the beginning (but recently, this convention's been on the decline in modern music).
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
You could also have a pickup measure at the start of your piece if that extra beat happens to be the first beat of your song. They look like:
Note also that if you do this, convention dictates that the last measure of the piece be shorter by the amount you added to the beginning (but recently, this convention's been on the decline in modern music).
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
edited Apr 5 at 6:22
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
answered Apr 5 at 4:45
user45266user45266
4,6001835
4,6001835
I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
2
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
1
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
1
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
|
show 1 more comment
I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
2
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
1
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
1
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
I think the convention that you shorten the last bar by the length of the anacrusis is not followed so often in modern music.
– Dekkadeci
Apr 5 at 6:05
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
@Dekkadeci You're right. I just didn't think it was worth a mention, but I'll change it.
– user45266
Apr 5 at 6:21
2
2
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
Coincidentally, I just ran across a video about Anacruses by Music Theory Guy. I agree with @Dekkadeci in that I rarely see the last bar shortened but I'm not experienced to know if that's proper or not.
– JYelton
Apr 5 at 18:02
1
1
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
It seems right and proper to have the first and last bars of a piece adding up properly. They do when both are full bars, why not when there's an anacrucis. And if it's going to loop round, surely it must?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:02
1
1
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
@Tim which is probably why most songs I see with a pickup loop around to the bar AFTER the pickup
– Aethenosity
Apr 6 at 16:20
|
show 1 more comment
There are also cases where composers choose to have no time signature at all, thereby suggesting that the number of beats per measure may vary. One example for that would be Samuel Barber's The Crucifixion, from Hermit Songs.
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
add a comment |
There are also cases where composers choose to have no time signature at all, thereby suggesting that the number of beats per measure may vary. One example for that would be Samuel Barber's The Crucifixion, from Hermit Songs.
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
add a comment |
There are also cases where composers choose to have no time signature at all, thereby suggesting that the number of beats per measure may vary. One example for that would be Samuel Barber's The Crucifixion, from Hermit Songs.
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
There are also cases where composers choose to have no time signature at all, thereby suggesting that the number of beats per measure may vary. One example for that would be Samuel Barber's The Crucifixion, from Hermit Songs.
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
answered Apr 5 at 17:13
HirschHirsch
211
211
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
add a comment |
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
How would a piece like that be counted in? - or conducted?
– Tim
Apr 6 at 7:04
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It's done all the time in music. Go check out Stravinsky or Copland.
– Carl Witthoft
Apr 5 at 12:58