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How to select between models when AUC scores are similar?


Generic strategy for object detectionQuestion on reservoir samplingHow can I fix this “convex” problem ? Is it just a matter of overfitting?Possible Reason for low Test accuracy and high AUCHow to evaluate data capability to train a model?Valid Approach to Kaggle's Porto Seguro ML Problem?Significant overfitting with CVStatistical test for machine learningHow to generate data if algo itself is involved in the process with a feedback loop?how to interpret a high AUC value but a low F1 score after upsampling minority class?













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I use two machine learning algorithms for binary classification and I get this result :



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 AUC- Train : 0.75 AUC- Test: 0.65 big Train / overfitting


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 AUC- Train : 0.72 AUC- Test: 0.65 small train / small overfitting


Which one is better?










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    I use two machine learning algorithms for binary classification and I get this result :



    Algo 1 :



     AUC- Train : 0.75 AUC- Test: 0.65 big Train / overfitting


    Algo 2 :



     AUC- Train : 0.72 AUC- Test: 0.65 small train / small overfitting


    Which one is better?










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      I use two machine learning algorithms for binary classification and I get this result :



      Algo 1 :



       AUC- Train : 0.75 AUC- Test: 0.65 big Train / overfitting


      Algo 2 :



       AUC- Train : 0.72 AUC- Test: 0.65 small train / small overfitting


      Which one is better?










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      I use two machine learning algorithms for binary classification and I get this result :



      Algo 1 :



       AUC- Train : 0.75 AUC- Test: 0.65 big Train / overfitting


      Algo 2 :



       AUC- Train : 0.72 AUC- Test: 0.65 small train / small overfitting


      Which one is better?







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          Based on the AUC score they are the same. It does not really matter if the model is overfitting or not. What matters is how well it performs on new data (test score).



          Overfitting is just an indication that there might be room for improvement by making your model more general. But until the test score has increased the model has not improved even if it is overfitting less.






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            Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
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            Yes, that is correct.
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            Thanks for your help
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            – amal amal
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            No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
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          Algo 2



          Between equal test scores choose the one with less difference between training and test scores (Algo 2), since the one with better training score (Algo 1) is more over-fitted. We tolerate a more over-fitted model only if it has a subjectively better test score.



          For a better justification, think of how we train a neural network. When validation score stops improving, we stop the training process even though training score will keep improving. If we let the training continue, the model will start making extra assumptions based on the training set that are not scrutinized by the critic (validation set) which makes the model more prone to building false assumptions about the data.



          By the same token, a model (Algo 1) that has the same performance based on the critic (test set) but performs better on training set is prone to have made untested assumptions about the data.






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            How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
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            Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
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            @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
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            Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
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            @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
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          Just based on this metric you can not find which one is better because AUC could not differentiate these two result. You should use some other metrics such as Kappa or some benchmarks.



          Disclaimer:



          If you are using Python I suggest PyCM module which get your confusion matrix as input and calculate about 100 overall and class-based metrics.



          For using this module at first prepare your confusion matrix and see it's recommended parameters by the following code:



          >>> from pycm import *

          >>> cm = ConfusionMatrix(matrix="0": "0": 1, "1":0, "2": 0, "1": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 2, "2": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 0)

          >>> print(cm.recommended_list)
          ["Kappa", "SOA1(Landis & Koch)", "SOA2(Fleiss)", "SOA3(Altman)", "SOA4(Cicchetti)", "CEN", "MCEN", "MCC", "J", "Overall J", "Overall MCC", "Overall CEN", "Overall MCEN", "AUC", "AUCI", "G", "DP", "DPI", "GI"]


          and then see the value of the metrics focusing on the recommended metrics by the following code:



          >>> print(cm)
          Predict 0 1 2
          Actual
          0 1 0 0
          1 0 1 2
          2 0 1 0




          Overall Statistics :

          95% CI (-0.02941,0.82941)
          Bennett_S 0.1
          Chi-Squared 6.66667
          Chi-Squared DF 4
          Conditional Entropy 0.55098
          Cramer_V 0.8165
          Cross Entropy 1.52193
          Gwet_AC1 0.13043
          Joint Entropy 1.92193
          KL Divergence 0.15098
          Kappa 0.0625
          Kappa 95% CI (-0.60846,0.73346)
          Kappa No Prevalence -0.2
          Kappa Standard Error 0.34233
          Kappa Unbiased 0.03226
          Lambda A 0.5
          Lambda B 0.66667
          Mutual Information 0.97095
          Overall_ACC 0.4
          Overall_RACC 0.36
          Overall_RACCU 0.38
          PPV_Macro 0.5
          PPV_Micro 0.4
          Phi-Squared 1.33333
          Reference Entropy 1.37095
          Response Entropy 1.52193
          Scott_PI 0.03226
          Standard Error 0.21909
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Altman) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Cicchetti) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Fleiss) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Landis and Koch) Slight
          TPR_Macro 0.44444
          TPR_Micro 0.4

          Class Statistics :

          Classes 0 1 2
          ACC(Accuracy) 1.0 0.4 0.4
          BM(Informedness or bookmaker informedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.5
          DOR(Diagnostic odds ratio) None 0.5 0.0
          ERR(Error rate) 0.0 0.6 0.6
          F0.5(F0.5 score) 1.0 0.45455 0.0
          F1(F1 score - harmonic mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.4 0.0
          F2(F2 score) 1.0 0.35714 0.0
          FDR(False discovery rate) 0.0 0.5 1.0
          FN(False negative/miss/type 2 error) 0 2 1
          FNR(Miss rate or false negative rate) 0.0 0.66667 1.0
          FOR(False omission rate) 0.0 0.66667 0.33333
          FP(False positive/type 1 error/false alarm) 0 1 2
          FPR(Fall-out or false positive rate) 0.0 0.5 0.5
          G(G-measure geometric mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.40825 0.0
          LR+(Positive likelihood ratio) None 0.66667 0.0
          LR-(Negative likelihood ratio) 0.0 1.33333 2.0
          MCC(Matthews correlation coefficient) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.40825
          MK(Markedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.33333
          N(Condition negative) 4 2 4
          NPV(Negative predictive value) 1.0 0.33333 0.66667
          P(Condition positive) 1 3 1
          POP(Population) 5 5 5
          PPV(Precision or positive predictive value) 1.0 0.5 0.0
          PRE(Prevalence) 0.2 0.6 0.2
          RACC(Random accuracy) 0.04 0.24 0.08
          RACCU(Random accuracy unbiased) 0.04 0.25 0.09
          TN(True negative/correct rejection) 4 1 2
          TNR(Specificity or true negative rate) 1.0 0.5 0.5
          TON(Test outcome negative) 4 3 3
          TOP(Test outcome positive) 1 2 2
          TP(True positive/hit) 1 1 0
          TPR(Sensitivity, recall, hit rate, or true positive rate) 1.0 0.33333 0.0





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            @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
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            @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
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          Based on the AUC score they are the same. It does not really matter if the model is overfitting or not. What matters is how well it performs on new data (test score).



          Overfitting is just an indication that there might be room for improvement by making your model more general. But until the test score has increased the model has not improved even if it is overfitting less.






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            Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
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            – amal amal
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            Yes, that is correct.
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            Thanks for your help
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            – amal amal
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            No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday















          1












          $begingroup$

          Based on the AUC score they are the same. It does not really matter if the model is overfitting or not. What matters is how well it performs on new data (test score).



          Overfitting is just an indication that there might be room for improvement by making your model more general. But until the test score has increased the model has not improved even if it is overfitting less.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$












          • $begingroup$
            Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
            $endgroup$
            – amal amal
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Yes, that is correct.
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your help
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            – amal amal
            yesterday










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            No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
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            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday













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          Based on the AUC score they are the same. It does not really matter if the model is overfitting or not. What matters is how well it performs on new data (test score).



          Overfitting is just an indication that there might be room for improvement by making your model more general. But until the test score has increased the model has not improved even if it is overfitting less.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Based on the AUC score they are the same. It does not really matter if the model is overfitting or not. What matters is how well it performs on new data (test score).



          Overfitting is just an indication that there might be room for improvement by making your model more general. But until the test score has increased the model has not improved even if it is overfitting less.







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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
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            – amal amal
            yesterday










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            Yes, that is correct.
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            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your help
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            – amal amal
            yesterday










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            No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
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            – Simon Larsson
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          • $begingroup$
            Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
            $endgroup$
            – amal amal
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Yes, that is correct.
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            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Thanks for your help
            $endgroup$
            – amal amal
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
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            – Simon Larsson
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          $begingroup$
          Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
          $endgroup$
          – amal amal
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Thanks simon, so if I understand I should always take the biggest test score as the best model without getting any importance to training score?
          $endgroup$
          – amal amal
          yesterday












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          Yes, that is correct.
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          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Yes, that is correct.
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          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          Thanks for your help
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          – amal amal
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Thanks for your help
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          – amal amal
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
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          – Simon Larsson
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          No problem! Don't forget to mark my answer as correct if you got what you asked for.
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          Algo 2



          Between equal test scores choose the one with less difference between training and test scores (Algo 2), since the one with better training score (Algo 1) is more over-fitted. We tolerate a more over-fitted model only if it has a subjectively better test score.



          For a better justification, think of how we train a neural network. When validation score stops improving, we stop the training process even though training score will keep improving. If we let the training continue, the model will start making extra assumptions based on the training set that are not scrutinized by the critic (validation set) which makes the model more prone to building false assumptions about the data.



          By the same token, a model (Algo 1) that has the same performance based on the critic (test set) but performs better on training set is prone to have made untested assumptions about the data.






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            How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
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            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










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            Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
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            – Simon Larsson
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            @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
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          • $begingroup$
            Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
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            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday






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            @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
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            – Ben Reiniger
            yesterday















          1












          $begingroup$

          Algo 2



          Between equal test scores choose the one with less difference between training and test scores (Algo 2), since the one with better training score (Algo 1) is more over-fitted. We tolerate a more over-fitted model only if it has a subjectively better test score.



          For a better justification, think of how we train a neural network. When validation score stops improving, we stop the training process even though training score will keep improving. If we let the training continue, the model will start making extra assumptions based on the training set that are not scrutinized by the critic (validation set) which makes the model more prone to building false assumptions about the data.



          By the same token, a model (Algo 1) that has the same performance based on the critic (test set) but performs better on training set is prone to have made untested assumptions about the data.






          share|improve this answer











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          • $begingroup$
            How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
            $endgroup$
            – Esmailian
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Reiniger
            yesterday













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          Algo 2



          Between equal test scores choose the one with less difference between training and test scores (Algo 2), since the one with better training score (Algo 1) is more over-fitted. We tolerate a more over-fitted model only if it has a subjectively better test score.



          For a better justification, think of how we train a neural network. When validation score stops improving, we stop the training process even though training score will keep improving. If we let the training continue, the model will start making extra assumptions based on the training set that are not scrutinized by the critic (validation set) which makes the model more prone to building false assumptions about the data.



          By the same token, a model (Algo 1) that has the same performance based on the critic (test set) but performs better on training set is prone to have made untested assumptions about the data.






          share|improve this answer











          $endgroup$



          Algo 2



          Between equal test scores choose the one with less difference between training and test scores (Algo 2), since the one with better training score (Algo 1) is more over-fitted. We tolerate a more over-fitted model only if it has a subjectively better test score.



          For a better justification, think of how we train a neural network. When validation score stops improving, we stop the training process even though training score will keep improving. If we let the training continue, the model will start making extra assumptions based on the training set that are not scrutinized by the critic (validation set) which makes the model more prone to building false assumptions about the data.



          By the same token, a model (Algo 1) that has the same performance based on the critic (test set) but performs better on training set is prone to have made untested assumptions about the data.







          share|improve this answer














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          • $begingroup$
            How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
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            – Esmailian
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            Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
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            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday






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            @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
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            How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
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            Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
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            yesterday










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            @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
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            – Esmailian
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
            $endgroup$
            – Simon Larsson
            yesterday






          • 2




            $begingroup$
            @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Reiniger
            yesterday















          $begingroup$
          How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
          $endgroup$
          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          How can you make these assumptions? Test score tells you the generalization ability of the algorithm regardless of the bias/variance. I feel like you can say nothing about which one will perform better on another test set.
          $endgroup$
          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
          $endgroup$
          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Genuinely curious btw, incase you know something I have missed. :)
          $endgroup$
          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
          $endgroup$
          – Esmailian
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          @SimonLarsson cool! I made some updates.
          $endgroup$
          – Esmailian
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
          $endgroup$
          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          Thank you for replying! But what I would like to know is how you can assume that one will generalize better than the other on other data when the test score is the same? Just because you know that one model has learned some junk from the training set it does not say that the other model will have learned something useful in its' place.
          $endgroup$
          – Simon Larsson
          yesterday




          2




          2




          $begingroup$
          @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
          $endgroup$
          – Ben Reiniger
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          @SimonLarsson I think fundamentally it's an Occam's Razor thing, with an assumption that the more-overfit model is "more complicated." In specific situations it's easier; e.g., if the data is time-dependent and the test set is out-of-time, then the train/test score discrepancy might indicate degradation over time, so that future performance may degrade faster in the more-overfit model.
          $endgroup$
          – Ben Reiniger
          yesterday











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          Just based on this metric you can not find which one is better because AUC could not differentiate these two result. You should use some other metrics such as Kappa or some benchmarks.



          Disclaimer:



          If you are using Python I suggest PyCM module which get your confusion matrix as input and calculate about 100 overall and class-based metrics.



          For using this module at first prepare your confusion matrix and see it's recommended parameters by the following code:



          >>> from pycm import *

          >>> cm = ConfusionMatrix(matrix="0": "0": 1, "1":0, "2": 0, "1": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 2, "2": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 0)

          >>> print(cm.recommended_list)
          ["Kappa", "SOA1(Landis & Koch)", "SOA2(Fleiss)", "SOA3(Altman)", "SOA4(Cicchetti)", "CEN", "MCEN", "MCC", "J", "Overall J", "Overall MCC", "Overall CEN", "Overall MCEN", "AUC", "AUCI", "G", "DP", "DPI", "GI"]


          and then see the value of the metrics focusing on the recommended metrics by the following code:



          >>> print(cm)
          Predict 0 1 2
          Actual
          0 1 0 0
          1 0 1 2
          2 0 1 0




          Overall Statistics :

          95% CI (-0.02941,0.82941)
          Bennett_S 0.1
          Chi-Squared 6.66667
          Chi-Squared DF 4
          Conditional Entropy 0.55098
          Cramer_V 0.8165
          Cross Entropy 1.52193
          Gwet_AC1 0.13043
          Joint Entropy 1.92193
          KL Divergence 0.15098
          Kappa 0.0625
          Kappa 95% CI (-0.60846,0.73346)
          Kappa No Prevalence -0.2
          Kappa Standard Error 0.34233
          Kappa Unbiased 0.03226
          Lambda A 0.5
          Lambda B 0.66667
          Mutual Information 0.97095
          Overall_ACC 0.4
          Overall_RACC 0.36
          Overall_RACCU 0.38
          PPV_Macro 0.5
          PPV_Micro 0.4
          Phi-Squared 1.33333
          Reference Entropy 1.37095
          Response Entropy 1.52193
          Scott_PI 0.03226
          Standard Error 0.21909
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Altman) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Cicchetti) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Fleiss) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Landis and Koch) Slight
          TPR_Macro 0.44444
          TPR_Micro 0.4

          Class Statistics :

          Classes 0 1 2
          ACC(Accuracy) 1.0 0.4 0.4
          BM(Informedness or bookmaker informedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.5
          DOR(Diagnostic odds ratio) None 0.5 0.0
          ERR(Error rate) 0.0 0.6 0.6
          F0.5(F0.5 score) 1.0 0.45455 0.0
          F1(F1 score - harmonic mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.4 0.0
          F2(F2 score) 1.0 0.35714 0.0
          FDR(False discovery rate) 0.0 0.5 1.0
          FN(False negative/miss/type 2 error) 0 2 1
          FNR(Miss rate or false negative rate) 0.0 0.66667 1.0
          FOR(False omission rate) 0.0 0.66667 0.33333
          FP(False positive/type 1 error/false alarm) 0 1 2
          FPR(Fall-out or false positive rate) 0.0 0.5 0.5
          G(G-measure geometric mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.40825 0.0
          LR+(Positive likelihood ratio) None 0.66667 0.0
          LR-(Negative likelihood ratio) 0.0 1.33333 2.0
          MCC(Matthews correlation coefficient) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.40825
          MK(Markedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.33333
          N(Condition negative) 4 2 4
          NPV(Negative predictive value) 1.0 0.33333 0.66667
          P(Condition positive) 1 3 1
          POP(Population) 5 5 5
          PPV(Precision or positive predictive value) 1.0 0.5 0.0
          PRE(Prevalence) 0.2 0.6 0.2
          RACC(Random accuracy) 0.04 0.24 0.08
          RACCU(Random accuracy unbiased) 0.04 0.25 0.09
          TN(True negative/correct rejection) 4 1 2
          TNR(Specificity or true negative rate) 1.0 0.5 0.5
          TON(Test outcome negative) 4 3 3
          TOP(Test outcome positive) 1 2 2
          TP(True positive/hit) 1 1 0
          TPR(Sensitivity, recall, hit rate, or true positive rate) 1.0 0.33333 0.0





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            You should mention that you are an author of the package. (datascience.stackexchange.com/help/behavior)
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            thanks for your reminder.I just edited my answer
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            – Alireza Zolanvari
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            @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
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            – Esmailian
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
            $endgroup$
            – Alireza Zolanvari
            yesterday















          1












          $begingroup$

          Just based on this metric you can not find which one is better because AUC could not differentiate these two result. You should use some other metrics such as Kappa or some benchmarks.



          Disclaimer:



          If you are using Python I suggest PyCM module which get your confusion matrix as input and calculate about 100 overall and class-based metrics.



          For using this module at first prepare your confusion matrix and see it's recommended parameters by the following code:



          >>> from pycm import *

          >>> cm = ConfusionMatrix(matrix="0": "0": 1, "1":0, "2": 0, "1": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 2, "2": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 0)

          >>> print(cm.recommended_list)
          ["Kappa", "SOA1(Landis & Koch)", "SOA2(Fleiss)", "SOA3(Altman)", "SOA4(Cicchetti)", "CEN", "MCEN", "MCC", "J", "Overall J", "Overall MCC", "Overall CEN", "Overall MCEN", "AUC", "AUCI", "G", "DP", "DPI", "GI"]


          and then see the value of the metrics focusing on the recommended metrics by the following code:



          >>> print(cm)
          Predict 0 1 2
          Actual
          0 1 0 0
          1 0 1 2
          2 0 1 0




          Overall Statistics :

          95% CI (-0.02941,0.82941)
          Bennett_S 0.1
          Chi-Squared 6.66667
          Chi-Squared DF 4
          Conditional Entropy 0.55098
          Cramer_V 0.8165
          Cross Entropy 1.52193
          Gwet_AC1 0.13043
          Joint Entropy 1.92193
          KL Divergence 0.15098
          Kappa 0.0625
          Kappa 95% CI (-0.60846,0.73346)
          Kappa No Prevalence -0.2
          Kappa Standard Error 0.34233
          Kappa Unbiased 0.03226
          Lambda A 0.5
          Lambda B 0.66667
          Mutual Information 0.97095
          Overall_ACC 0.4
          Overall_RACC 0.36
          Overall_RACCU 0.38
          PPV_Macro 0.5
          PPV_Micro 0.4
          Phi-Squared 1.33333
          Reference Entropy 1.37095
          Response Entropy 1.52193
          Scott_PI 0.03226
          Standard Error 0.21909
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Altman) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Cicchetti) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Fleiss) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Landis and Koch) Slight
          TPR_Macro 0.44444
          TPR_Micro 0.4

          Class Statistics :

          Classes 0 1 2
          ACC(Accuracy) 1.0 0.4 0.4
          BM(Informedness or bookmaker informedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.5
          DOR(Diagnostic odds ratio) None 0.5 0.0
          ERR(Error rate) 0.0 0.6 0.6
          F0.5(F0.5 score) 1.0 0.45455 0.0
          F1(F1 score - harmonic mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.4 0.0
          F2(F2 score) 1.0 0.35714 0.0
          FDR(False discovery rate) 0.0 0.5 1.0
          FN(False negative/miss/type 2 error) 0 2 1
          FNR(Miss rate or false negative rate) 0.0 0.66667 1.0
          FOR(False omission rate) 0.0 0.66667 0.33333
          FP(False positive/type 1 error/false alarm) 0 1 2
          FPR(Fall-out or false positive rate) 0.0 0.5 0.5
          G(G-measure geometric mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.40825 0.0
          LR+(Positive likelihood ratio) None 0.66667 0.0
          LR-(Negative likelihood ratio) 0.0 1.33333 2.0
          MCC(Matthews correlation coefficient) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.40825
          MK(Markedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.33333
          N(Condition negative) 4 2 4
          NPV(Negative predictive value) 1.0 0.33333 0.66667
          P(Condition positive) 1 3 1
          POP(Population) 5 5 5
          PPV(Precision or positive predictive value) 1.0 0.5 0.0
          PRE(Prevalence) 0.2 0.6 0.2
          RACC(Random accuracy) 0.04 0.24 0.08
          RACCU(Random accuracy unbiased) 0.04 0.25 0.09
          TN(True negative/correct rejection) 4 1 2
          TNR(Specificity or true negative rate) 1.0 0.5 0.5
          TON(Test outcome negative) 4 3 3
          TOP(Test outcome positive) 1 2 2
          TP(True positive/hit) 1 1 0
          TPR(Sensitivity, recall, hit rate, or true positive rate) 1.0 0.33333 0.0





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            $begingroup$
            You should mention that you are an author of the package. (datascience.stackexchange.com/help/behavior)
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Reiniger
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            thanks for your reminder.I just edited my answer
            $endgroup$
            – Alireza Zolanvari
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
            $endgroup$
            – Esmailian
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
            $endgroup$
            – Alireza Zolanvari
            yesterday













          1












          1








          1





          $begingroup$

          Just based on this metric you can not find which one is better because AUC could not differentiate these two result. You should use some other metrics such as Kappa or some benchmarks.



          Disclaimer:



          If you are using Python I suggest PyCM module which get your confusion matrix as input and calculate about 100 overall and class-based metrics.



          For using this module at first prepare your confusion matrix and see it's recommended parameters by the following code:



          >>> from pycm import *

          >>> cm = ConfusionMatrix(matrix="0": "0": 1, "1":0, "2": 0, "1": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 2, "2": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 0)

          >>> print(cm.recommended_list)
          ["Kappa", "SOA1(Landis & Koch)", "SOA2(Fleiss)", "SOA3(Altman)", "SOA4(Cicchetti)", "CEN", "MCEN", "MCC", "J", "Overall J", "Overall MCC", "Overall CEN", "Overall MCEN", "AUC", "AUCI", "G", "DP", "DPI", "GI"]


          and then see the value of the metrics focusing on the recommended metrics by the following code:



          >>> print(cm)
          Predict 0 1 2
          Actual
          0 1 0 0
          1 0 1 2
          2 0 1 0




          Overall Statistics :

          95% CI (-0.02941,0.82941)
          Bennett_S 0.1
          Chi-Squared 6.66667
          Chi-Squared DF 4
          Conditional Entropy 0.55098
          Cramer_V 0.8165
          Cross Entropy 1.52193
          Gwet_AC1 0.13043
          Joint Entropy 1.92193
          KL Divergence 0.15098
          Kappa 0.0625
          Kappa 95% CI (-0.60846,0.73346)
          Kappa No Prevalence -0.2
          Kappa Standard Error 0.34233
          Kappa Unbiased 0.03226
          Lambda A 0.5
          Lambda B 0.66667
          Mutual Information 0.97095
          Overall_ACC 0.4
          Overall_RACC 0.36
          Overall_RACCU 0.38
          PPV_Macro 0.5
          PPV_Micro 0.4
          Phi-Squared 1.33333
          Reference Entropy 1.37095
          Response Entropy 1.52193
          Scott_PI 0.03226
          Standard Error 0.21909
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Altman) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Cicchetti) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Fleiss) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Landis and Koch) Slight
          TPR_Macro 0.44444
          TPR_Micro 0.4

          Class Statistics :

          Classes 0 1 2
          ACC(Accuracy) 1.0 0.4 0.4
          BM(Informedness or bookmaker informedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.5
          DOR(Diagnostic odds ratio) None 0.5 0.0
          ERR(Error rate) 0.0 0.6 0.6
          F0.5(F0.5 score) 1.0 0.45455 0.0
          F1(F1 score - harmonic mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.4 0.0
          F2(F2 score) 1.0 0.35714 0.0
          FDR(False discovery rate) 0.0 0.5 1.0
          FN(False negative/miss/type 2 error) 0 2 1
          FNR(Miss rate or false negative rate) 0.0 0.66667 1.0
          FOR(False omission rate) 0.0 0.66667 0.33333
          FP(False positive/type 1 error/false alarm) 0 1 2
          FPR(Fall-out or false positive rate) 0.0 0.5 0.5
          G(G-measure geometric mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.40825 0.0
          LR+(Positive likelihood ratio) None 0.66667 0.0
          LR-(Negative likelihood ratio) 0.0 1.33333 2.0
          MCC(Matthews correlation coefficient) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.40825
          MK(Markedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.33333
          N(Condition negative) 4 2 4
          NPV(Negative predictive value) 1.0 0.33333 0.66667
          P(Condition positive) 1 3 1
          POP(Population) 5 5 5
          PPV(Precision or positive predictive value) 1.0 0.5 0.0
          PRE(Prevalence) 0.2 0.6 0.2
          RACC(Random accuracy) 0.04 0.24 0.08
          RACCU(Random accuracy unbiased) 0.04 0.25 0.09
          TN(True negative/correct rejection) 4 1 2
          TNR(Specificity or true negative rate) 1.0 0.5 0.5
          TON(Test outcome negative) 4 3 3
          TOP(Test outcome positive) 1 2 2
          TP(True positive/hit) 1 1 0
          TPR(Sensitivity, recall, hit rate, or true positive rate) 1.0 0.33333 0.0





          share|improve this answer











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          Just based on this metric you can not find which one is better because AUC could not differentiate these two result. You should use some other metrics such as Kappa or some benchmarks.



          Disclaimer:



          If you are using Python I suggest PyCM module which get your confusion matrix as input and calculate about 100 overall and class-based metrics.



          For using this module at first prepare your confusion matrix and see it's recommended parameters by the following code:



          >>> from pycm import *

          >>> cm = ConfusionMatrix(matrix="0": "0": 1, "1":0, "2": 0, "1": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 2, "2": "0": 0, "1": 1, "2": 0)

          >>> print(cm.recommended_list)
          ["Kappa", "SOA1(Landis & Koch)", "SOA2(Fleiss)", "SOA3(Altman)", "SOA4(Cicchetti)", "CEN", "MCEN", "MCC", "J", "Overall J", "Overall MCC", "Overall CEN", "Overall MCEN", "AUC", "AUCI", "G", "DP", "DPI", "GI"]


          and then see the value of the metrics focusing on the recommended metrics by the following code:



          >>> print(cm)
          Predict 0 1 2
          Actual
          0 1 0 0
          1 0 1 2
          2 0 1 0




          Overall Statistics :

          95% CI (-0.02941,0.82941)
          Bennett_S 0.1
          Chi-Squared 6.66667
          Chi-Squared DF 4
          Conditional Entropy 0.55098
          Cramer_V 0.8165
          Cross Entropy 1.52193
          Gwet_AC1 0.13043
          Joint Entropy 1.92193
          KL Divergence 0.15098
          Kappa 0.0625
          Kappa 95% CI (-0.60846,0.73346)
          Kappa No Prevalence -0.2
          Kappa Standard Error 0.34233
          Kappa Unbiased 0.03226
          Lambda A 0.5
          Lambda B 0.66667
          Mutual Information 0.97095
          Overall_ACC 0.4
          Overall_RACC 0.36
          Overall_RACCU 0.38
          PPV_Macro 0.5
          PPV_Micro 0.4
          Phi-Squared 1.33333
          Reference Entropy 1.37095
          Response Entropy 1.52193
          Scott_PI 0.03226
          Standard Error 0.21909
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Altman) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Cicchetti) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Fleiss) Poor
          Strength_Of_Agreement(Landis and Koch) Slight
          TPR_Macro 0.44444
          TPR_Micro 0.4

          Class Statistics :

          Classes 0 1 2
          ACC(Accuracy) 1.0 0.4 0.4
          BM(Informedness or bookmaker informedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.5
          DOR(Diagnostic odds ratio) None 0.5 0.0
          ERR(Error rate) 0.0 0.6 0.6
          F0.5(F0.5 score) 1.0 0.45455 0.0
          F1(F1 score - harmonic mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.4 0.0
          F2(F2 score) 1.0 0.35714 0.0
          FDR(False discovery rate) 0.0 0.5 1.0
          FN(False negative/miss/type 2 error) 0 2 1
          FNR(Miss rate or false negative rate) 0.0 0.66667 1.0
          FOR(False omission rate) 0.0 0.66667 0.33333
          FP(False positive/type 1 error/false alarm) 0 1 2
          FPR(Fall-out or false positive rate) 0.0 0.5 0.5
          G(G-measure geometric mean of precision and sensitivity) 1.0 0.40825 0.0
          LR+(Positive likelihood ratio) None 0.66667 0.0
          LR-(Negative likelihood ratio) 0.0 1.33333 2.0
          MCC(Matthews correlation coefficient) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.40825
          MK(Markedness) 1.0 -0.16667 -0.33333
          N(Condition negative) 4 2 4
          NPV(Negative predictive value) 1.0 0.33333 0.66667
          P(Condition positive) 1 3 1
          POP(Population) 5 5 5
          PPV(Precision or positive predictive value) 1.0 0.5 0.0
          PRE(Prevalence) 0.2 0.6 0.2
          RACC(Random accuracy) 0.04 0.24 0.08
          RACCU(Random accuracy unbiased) 0.04 0.25 0.09
          TN(True negative/correct rejection) 4 1 2
          TNR(Specificity or true negative rate) 1.0 0.5 0.5
          TON(Test outcome negative) 4 3 3
          TOP(Test outcome positive) 1 2 2
          TP(True positive/hit) 1 1 0
          TPR(Sensitivity, recall, hit rate, or true positive rate) 1.0 0.33333 0.0






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            $begingroup$
            You should mention that you are an author of the package. (datascience.stackexchange.com/help/behavior)
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Reiniger
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            thanks for your reminder.I just edited my answer
            $endgroup$
            – Alireza Zolanvari
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
            $endgroup$
            – Esmailian
            yesterday










          • $begingroup$
            @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
            $endgroup$
            – Alireza Zolanvari
            yesterday












          • 1




            $begingroup$
            You should mention that you are an author of the package. (datascience.stackexchange.com/help/behavior)
            $endgroup$
            – Ben Reiniger
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            thanks for your reminder.I just edited my answer
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            @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
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            @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
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          $begingroup$
          thanks for your reminder.I just edited my answer
          $endgroup$
          – Alireza Zolanvari
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          thanks for your reminder.I just edited my answer
          $endgroup$
          – Alireza Zolanvari
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
          $endgroup$
          – Esmailian
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          @alirezazolanvari In my opinion, change of measure does not solve the underlying problem. First, choice of measure dependents on task too, we cannot peak and choose independently. More importantly, this problem can happen for any other measure (e.g. Kappa) too, the solution is not to simply change the measure.
          $endgroup$
          – Esmailian
          yesterday












          $begingroup$
          @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
          $endgroup$
          – Alireza Zolanvari
          yesterday




          $begingroup$
          @Esmailian obviously the evaluation metric is directly related to the task but the researches for finding proper metrics for evaluating a learning algorithm have been focused on clearing the difference between the performance of algorithms in the cases in which the simple metrics such as AUC can not say which one is better. Totally for answering this question many other things should be considered. This answer not a golden key for this problem but can be helpful to solve it.
          $endgroup$
          – Alireza Zolanvari
          yesterday

















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