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Simplify an interface for flexibly applying rules to periods of time
Best practices for selecting timeUser Interface for assigning times throughout the dayGood metaphor for time estimation vs. spent timeBuilding logical criteria (with AND , OR, etc)Is there a pattern for cycling or toggling through time periods?Approaches for setting a time periodDisplaying time spans - do you show both periods? What about past 12:00?Clock face interface for time selectionGraphical alternatives to mini-language to operate on large setsHow to handle time input for different time zones?
We have a module in an application where users define time periods for different criteria that will be used later to filter some lists.
By default each criterion applies any time. Its validity can be limited by both restricting the time periods where it applies, and adding exclusion time periods. Already-defined periods of applying and excluding can be edited or deleted.
The current interface is as follow:
download bmml source – Wireframes created with Balsamiq Mockups
Users find it difficult to understand the logic of "application" vs "exclusion" time periods, which I totally understand.
I can't find a solution to simplify the interface while keeping all the existing possibilities.
What can be done to improve the user's experience here?
usability gui-design time simplicity
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We have a module in an application where users define time periods for different criteria that will be used later to filter some lists.
By default each criterion applies any time. Its validity can be limited by both restricting the time periods where it applies, and adding exclusion time periods. Already-defined periods of applying and excluding can be edited or deleted.
The current interface is as follow:
download bmml source – Wireframes created with Balsamiq Mockups
Users find it difficult to understand the logic of "application" vs "exclusion" time periods, which I totally understand.
I can't find a solution to simplify the interface while keeping all the existing possibilities.
What can be done to improve the user's experience here?
usability gui-design time simplicity
2
what is the smallest and largest units of time here? How small can an exception be to a restriction?
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 13:36
1
ah okay, see my answer, i would say then you wouldn't have the 'gray' area in between it sounds like.
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 14:24
1
I can't edited only two characters due to low rep, but the singular of criteria is criterion.
– henning
Mar 14 at 17:16
1
Submitting a comment since you mentioned keeping functionality. Having "application" vs. "exclusion" doesn't seem helpful conceptually or for data entry. For example, in your criteria 3, the user must enter two date ranges (4 dates). So why not just enter the two date ranges for application: 2019/1/1 through 2019-7-14, and 2019-8-15 through 2019-12-31? If you have one range of "application" with 2 periods of "exception", this is the same thing as 3 ranges of "application." Either way, the user still has to enter 6 dates. What does the application vs. exception distinction buy you?
– Randall Stewart
Mar 14 at 17:26
2
What purpose do these exceptions serve? Why is it preferred to input "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31, except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15" and not simply "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-14 and 2019-08-15 to 2019-12-31". Same functionality, but you reduce the available inputs a lot.
– Polygnome
Mar 15 at 0:06
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We have a module in an application where users define time periods for different criteria that will be used later to filter some lists.
By default each criterion applies any time. Its validity can be limited by both restricting the time periods where it applies, and adding exclusion time periods. Already-defined periods of applying and excluding can be edited or deleted.
The current interface is as follow:
download bmml source – Wireframes created with Balsamiq Mockups
Users find it difficult to understand the logic of "application" vs "exclusion" time periods, which I totally understand.
I can't find a solution to simplify the interface while keeping all the existing possibilities.
What can be done to improve the user's experience here?
usability gui-design time simplicity
We have a module in an application where users define time periods for different criteria that will be used later to filter some lists.
By default each criterion applies any time. Its validity can be limited by both restricting the time periods where it applies, and adding exclusion time periods. Already-defined periods of applying and excluding can be edited or deleted.
The current interface is as follow:
download bmml source – Wireframes created with Balsamiq Mockups
Users find it difficult to understand the logic of "application" vs "exclusion" time periods, which I totally understand.
I can't find a solution to simplify the interface while keeping all the existing possibilities.
What can be done to improve the user's experience here?
usability gui-design time simplicity
usability gui-design time simplicity
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what is the smallest and largest units of time here? How small can an exception be to a restriction?
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 13:36
1
ah okay, see my answer, i would say then you wouldn't have the 'gray' area in between it sounds like.
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 14:24
1
I can't edited only two characters due to low rep, but the singular of criteria is criterion.
– henning
Mar 14 at 17:16
1
Submitting a comment since you mentioned keeping functionality. Having "application" vs. "exclusion" doesn't seem helpful conceptually or for data entry. For example, in your criteria 3, the user must enter two date ranges (4 dates). So why not just enter the two date ranges for application: 2019/1/1 through 2019-7-14, and 2019-8-15 through 2019-12-31? If you have one range of "application" with 2 periods of "exception", this is the same thing as 3 ranges of "application." Either way, the user still has to enter 6 dates. What does the application vs. exception distinction buy you?
– Randall Stewart
Mar 14 at 17:26
2
What purpose do these exceptions serve? Why is it preferred to input "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31, except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15" and not simply "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-14 and 2019-08-15 to 2019-12-31". Same functionality, but you reduce the available inputs a lot.
– Polygnome
Mar 15 at 0:06
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show 6 more comments
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what is the smallest and largest units of time here? How small can an exception be to a restriction?
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 13:36
1
ah okay, see my answer, i would say then you wouldn't have the 'gray' area in between it sounds like.
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 14:24
1
I can't edited only two characters due to low rep, but the singular of criteria is criterion.
– henning
Mar 14 at 17:16
1
Submitting a comment since you mentioned keeping functionality. Having "application" vs. "exclusion" doesn't seem helpful conceptually or for data entry. For example, in your criteria 3, the user must enter two date ranges (4 dates). So why not just enter the two date ranges for application: 2019/1/1 through 2019-7-14, and 2019-8-15 through 2019-12-31? If you have one range of "application" with 2 periods of "exception", this is the same thing as 3 ranges of "application." Either way, the user still has to enter 6 dates. What does the application vs. exception distinction buy you?
– Randall Stewart
Mar 14 at 17:26
2
What purpose do these exceptions serve? Why is it preferred to input "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31, except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15" and not simply "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-14 and 2019-08-15 to 2019-12-31". Same functionality, but you reduce the available inputs a lot.
– Polygnome
Mar 15 at 0:06
2
2
what is the smallest and largest units of time here? How small can an exception be to a restriction?
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 13:36
what is the smallest and largest units of time here? How small can an exception be to a restriction?
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 13:36
1
1
ah okay, see my answer, i would say then you wouldn't have the 'gray' area in between it sounds like.
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 14:24
ah okay, see my answer, i would say then you wouldn't have the 'gray' area in between it sounds like.
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 14:24
1
1
I can't edited only two characters due to low rep, but the singular of criteria is criterion.
– henning
Mar 14 at 17:16
I can't edited only two characters due to low rep, but the singular of criteria is criterion.
– henning
Mar 14 at 17:16
1
1
Submitting a comment since you mentioned keeping functionality. Having "application" vs. "exclusion" doesn't seem helpful conceptually or for data entry. For example, in your criteria 3, the user must enter two date ranges (4 dates). So why not just enter the two date ranges for application: 2019/1/1 through 2019-7-14, and 2019-8-15 through 2019-12-31? If you have one range of "application" with 2 periods of "exception", this is the same thing as 3 ranges of "application." Either way, the user still has to enter 6 dates. What does the application vs. exception distinction buy you?
– Randall Stewart
Mar 14 at 17:26
Submitting a comment since you mentioned keeping functionality. Having "application" vs. "exclusion" doesn't seem helpful conceptually or for data entry. For example, in your criteria 3, the user must enter two date ranges (4 dates). So why not just enter the two date ranges for application: 2019/1/1 through 2019-7-14, and 2019-8-15 through 2019-12-31? If you have one range of "application" with 2 periods of "exception", this is the same thing as 3 ranges of "application." Either way, the user still has to enter 6 dates. What does the application vs. exception distinction buy you?
– Randall Stewart
Mar 14 at 17:26
2
2
What purpose do these exceptions serve? Why is it preferred to input "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31, except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15" and not simply "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-14 and 2019-08-15 to 2019-12-31". Same functionality, but you reduce the available inputs a lot.
– Polygnome
Mar 15 at 0:06
What purpose do these exceptions serve? Why is it preferred to input "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31, except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15" and not simply "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-14 and 2019-08-15 to 2019-12-31". Same functionality, but you reduce the available inputs a lot.
– Polygnome
Mar 15 at 0:06
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Try showing them visually, as they build the restriction and exemption times. With each criterion added, the timeline updates.
I'm not sure I fully understand your use case, but it sounds like users need to clearly see the results of their restrictions and exceptions. I'm focusing a little bit on how to see the outcome as feedback.
Forcing them to read and calculate dates (and proportional allocations) seems to add to their workload. They also might have to look at periods across each criterion as well.
Could you have a visualization that aids in showing them as they add criteria?
A heatmap example:
Github is an example of showing a years worth of data. At a glance, you can see periods of activity.
Don't make them read; provide visuals in tandem.
If there's another state (i'm not too clear on this): that of unrestricted and undeclared time, the heatmap can show these gaps as well.
Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
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I hope I am not misunderstanding your needs, but my recommendation is to do away with the exception/exclusion periods, as they are merely reinstating the default (criterion* applies) in a period of "restriction" (criterion does not apply). Intuitively it might appear simpler to say (as in your 3rd example) "The criterion should apply all year, except for a summer break", but you need two lines to say it, and you might as well say (in the same space, without the mental calisthenics):
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
To allow insertion of an exception more easily, I would recommend a split
(or similarly named) button (in addition to edit
and delete
), which would double the current line and prefill the start of the first and the end of the second line with the start and end of the original line. A color-coded calendar to help visualize this (as suggested in other answers) would certainly be helpful but is not strictly required.
By the way, your example criterion 1 is simply the equivalent of Applies from -infinity to infinity
.
*) "Criteria" is the plural of "criterion" (a standard or a trait) or of "criterium" (a bike race).
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Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
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Overlap of rules
I apologize if I misunderstood the ASK, but I feel this is a classic case of AND & OR operations (kind of :P).
- Users add a rule (set up time period) i.e Application
- Users can add another rule on top of the above rule i.e Exception, which may or may not overlap with the set time period.
Since the application and exception are closely tied to the mental map when creating, instead of giving them separate hierarchies I feel they should have parent/child relationship.
My proposal
I love how Zapier visualizes the AND/OR operations.
In close to the above design, your interface can look like
New contributor
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
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Instead of placing action buttons at the bottom, place "Add" buttons in each section.
Applies:
From 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31 edit delete
+ Add
Except:
From 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15 edit delete
+ Add
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That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
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Usually simplifying the copy language helps (something like "add valid time range" & "block specific dates".
A second option would be adding colors such as green (for restricted times) and red (for exception times), following the logic:
Green => go, Red =>stop
A third option is to add an icon (+ for add, - for restricting).
Best if you do all three together, this makes sure you cover more users' logics (i.e. graphic-oriented vs readers) Try to think of the user as if you were talking to a kid ;) this always helps me!
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This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
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The problem is that you are presenting the rules, but not the result.
As a litmus test, try to answer the question: is the criterion applied on Mar 23rd?
Instead of:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31
Except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15
The following display is easier to reason about... especially as exceptions pile up:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
It could also be helpful to make this more visual. Calendars would be greatly helpful; especially with clicking to toggle on/off and SHIFT+click or CTRL+click to mass select/unselect.
If space is limited, even with text you could add extra information to help the user:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13 (x days)
-- y days later --
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31 (z days)
This order of magnitude check can help the user identifying typos.
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Try showing them visually, as they build the restriction and exemption times. With each criterion added, the timeline updates.
I'm not sure I fully understand your use case, but it sounds like users need to clearly see the results of their restrictions and exceptions. I'm focusing a little bit on how to see the outcome as feedback.
Forcing them to read and calculate dates (and proportional allocations) seems to add to their workload. They also might have to look at periods across each criterion as well.
Could you have a visualization that aids in showing them as they add criteria?
A heatmap example:
Github is an example of showing a years worth of data. At a glance, you can see periods of activity.
Don't make them read; provide visuals in tandem.
If there's another state (i'm not too clear on this): that of unrestricted and undeclared time, the heatmap can show these gaps as well.
Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
add a comment |
Try showing them visually, as they build the restriction and exemption times. With each criterion added, the timeline updates.
I'm not sure I fully understand your use case, but it sounds like users need to clearly see the results of their restrictions and exceptions. I'm focusing a little bit on how to see the outcome as feedback.
Forcing them to read and calculate dates (and proportional allocations) seems to add to their workload. They also might have to look at periods across each criterion as well.
Could you have a visualization that aids in showing them as they add criteria?
A heatmap example:
Github is an example of showing a years worth of data. At a glance, you can see periods of activity.
Don't make them read; provide visuals in tandem.
If there's another state (i'm not too clear on this): that of unrestricted and undeclared time, the heatmap can show these gaps as well.
Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
add a comment |
Try showing them visually, as they build the restriction and exemption times. With each criterion added, the timeline updates.
I'm not sure I fully understand your use case, but it sounds like users need to clearly see the results of their restrictions and exceptions. I'm focusing a little bit on how to see the outcome as feedback.
Forcing them to read and calculate dates (and proportional allocations) seems to add to their workload. They also might have to look at periods across each criterion as well.
Could you have a visualization that aids in showing them as they add criteria?
A heatmap example:
Github is an example of showing a years worth of data. At a glance, you can see periods of activity.
Don't make them read; provide visuals in tandem.
If there's another state (i'm not too clear on this): that of unrestricted and undeclared time, the heatmap can show these gaps as well.
Try showing them visually, as they build the restriction and exemption times. With each criterion added, the timeline updates.
I'm not sure I fully understand your use case, but it sounds like users need to clearly see the results of their restrictions and exceptions. I'm focusing a little bit on how to see the outcome as feedback.
Forcing them to read and calculate dates (and proportional allocations) seems to add to their workload. They also might have to look at periods across each criterion as well.
Could you have a visualization that aids in showing them as they add criteria?
A heatmap example:
Github is an example of showing a years worth of data. At a glance, you can see periods of activity.
Don't make them read; provide visuals in tandem.
If there's another state (i'm not too clear on this): that of unrestricted and undeclared time, the heatmap can show these gaps as well.
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Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
add a comment |
Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Thanks Mike, that's a great idea indeed. Regarding the possible status of each day, a criteria is either "applied" or not: by default it's applied anytime. If you restrict the application to only one week for example, then all the other dates become "exceptions"...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 15:32
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
Also, it's probably better to display weekdays horizontally, since that's the most common calendar layout and what users would expect. That GitHub graph always makes me stare at it for a while before I can figure it out.
– typo
2 days ago
add a comment |
I hope I am not misunderstanding your needs, but my recommendation is to do away with the exception/exclusion periods, as they are merely reinstating the default (criterion* applies) in a period of "restriction" (criterion does not apply). Intuitively it might appear simpler to say (as in your 3rd example) "The criterion should apply all year, except for a summer break", but you need two lines to say it, and you might as well say (in the same space, without the mental calisthenics):
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
To allow insertion of an exception more easily, I would recommend a split
(or similarly named) button (in addition to edit
and delete
), which would double the current line and prefill the start of the first and the end of the second line with the start and end of the original line. A color-coded calendar to help visualize this (as suggested in other answers) would certainly be helpful but is not strictly required.
By the way, your example criterion 1 is simply the equivalent of Applies from -infinity to infinity
.
*) "Criteria" is the plural of "criterion" (a standard or a trait) or of "criterium" (a bike race).
New contributor
1
Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
add a comment |
I hope I am not misunderstanding your needs, but my recommendation is to do away with the exception/exclusion periods, as they are merely reinstating the default (criterion* applies) in a period of "restriction" (criterion does not apply). Intuitively it might appear simpler to say (as in your 3rd example) "The criterion should apply all year, except for a summer break", but you need two lines to say it, and you might as well say (in the same space, without the mental calisthenics):
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
To allow insertion of an exception more easily, I would recommend a split
(or similarly named) button (in addition to edit
and delete
), which would double the current line and prefill the start of the first and the end of the second line with the start and end of the original line. A color-coded calendar to help visualize this (as suggested in other answers) would certainly be helpful but is not strictly required.
By the way, your example criterion 1 is simply the equivalent of Applies from -infinity to infinity
.
*) "Criteria" is the plural of "criterion" (a standard or a trait) or of "criterium" (a bike race).
New contributor
1
Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
add a comment |
I hope I am not misunderstanding your needs, but my recommendation is to do away with the exception/exclusion periods, as they are merely reinstating the default (criterion* applies) in a period of "restriction" (criterion does not apply). Intuitively it might appear simpler to say (as in your 3rd example) "The criterion should apply all year, except for a summer break", but you need two lines to say it, and you might as well say (in the same space, without the mental calisthenics):
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
To allow insertion of an exception more easily, I would recommend a split
(or similarly named) button (in addition to edit
and delete
), which would double the current line and prefill the start of the first and the end of the second line with the start and end of the original line. A color-coded calendar to help visualize this (as suggested in other answers) would certainly be helpful but is not strictly required.
By the way, your example criterion 1 is simply the equivalent of Applies from -infinity to infinity
.
*) "Criteria" is the plural of "criterion" (a standard or a trait) or of "criterium" (a bike race).
New contributor
I hope I am not misunderstanding your needs, but my recommendation is to do away with the exception/exclusion periods, as they are merely reinstating the default (criterion* applies) in a period of "restriction" (criterion does not apply). Intuitively it might appear simpler to say (as in your 3rd example) "The criterion should apply all year, except for a summer break", but you need two lines to say it, and you might as well say (in the same space, without the mental calisthenics):
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
To allow insertion of an exception more easily, I would recommend a split
(or similarly named) button (in addition to edit
and delete
), which would double the current line and prefill the start of the first and the end of the second line with the start and end of the original line. A color-coded calendar to help visualize this (as suggested in other answers) would certainly be helpful but is not strictly required.
By the way, your example criterion 1 is simply the equivalent of Applies from -infinity to infinity
.
*) "Criteria" is the plural of "criterion" (a standard or a trait) or of "criterium" (a bike race).
New contributor
edited Mar 15 at 8:28
Prajwal Dhatwalia
2047
2047
New contributor
answered Mar 14 at 22:31
ThomasThomas
711
711
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New contributor
1
Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
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1
Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
1
1
Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
Instead of a "split" button, if the exceptions are a common use case why not just keep the "add exception" button and calculate the resulting timeframes where the criterion applies? So the user would punch in "applies from 01/01 to 31/12" and "doesn't apply from 13/07 to 16/08" and the application would display the dates as above.
– Maciej Stachowski
Mar 15 at 14:45
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Overlap of rules
I apologize if I misunderstood the ASK, but I feel this is a classic case of AND & OR operations (kind of :P).
- Users add a rule (set up time period) i.e Application
- Users can add another rule on top of the above rule i.e Exception, which may or may not overlap with the set time period.
Since the application and exception are closely tied to the mental map when creating, instead of giving them separate hierarchies I feel they should have parent/child relationship.
My proposal
I love how Zapier visualizes the AND/OR operations.
In close to the above design, your interface can look like
New contributor
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
Overlap of rules
I apologize if I misunderstood the ASK, but I feel this is a classic case of AND & OR operations (kind of :P).
- Users add a rule (set up time period) i.e Application
- Users can add another rule on top of the above rule i.e Exception, which may or may not overlap with the set time period.
Since the application and exception are closely tied to the mental map when creating, instead of giving them separate hierarchies I feel they should have parent/child relationship.
My proposal
I love how Zapier visualizes the AND/OR operations.
In close to the above design, your interface can look like
New contributor
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
Overlap of rules
I apologize if I misunderstood the ASK, but I feel this is a classic case of AND & OR operations (kind of :P).
- Users add a rule (set up time period) i.e Application
- Users can add another rule on top of the above rule i.e Exception, which may or may not overlap with the set time period.
Since the application and exception are closely tied to the mental map when creating, instead of giving them separate hierarchies I feel they should have parent/child relationship.
My proposal
I love how Zapier visualizes the AND/OR operations.
In close to the above design, your interface can look like
New contributor
Overlap of rules
I apologize if I misunderstood the ASK, but I feel this is a classic case of AND & OR operations (kind of :P).
- Users add a rule (set up time period) i.e Application
- Users can add another rule on top of the above rule i.e Exception, which may or may not overlap with the set time period.
Since the application and exception are closely tied to the mental map when creating, instead of giving them separate hierarchies I feel they should have parent/child relationship.
My proposal
I love how Zapier visualizes the AND/OR operations.
In close to the above design, your interface can look like
New contributor
edited 2 days ago
Prajwal Dhatwalia
2047
2047
New contributor
answered Mar 15 at 7:58
tridip1931tridip1931
765
765
New contributor
New contributor
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Could you clarify what ASK stands for?
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:06
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
Sorry for the confusion, by ASK I mean the problem statement in the question. @LightnessRacesinOrbit
– tridip1931
Mar 16 at 6:54
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
So you mean the "question"? Not sure why this normal word was capitalised and bolded; that made it look like an acronym. Thanks for your answer!
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 days ago
add a comment |
Instead of placing action buttons at the bottom, place "Add" buttons in each section.
Applies:
From 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31 edit delete
+ Add
Except:
From 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15 edit delete
+ Add
3
That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
add a comment |
Instead of placing action buttons at the bottom, place "Add" buttons in each section.
Applies:
From 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31 edit delete
+ Add
Except:
From 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15 edit delete
+ Add
3
That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
add a comment |
Instead of placing action buttons at the bottom, place "Add" buttons in each section.
Applies:
From 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31 edit delete
+ Add
Except:
From 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15 edit delete
+ Add
Instead of placing action buttons at the bottom, place "Add" buttons in each section.
Applies:
From 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31 edit delete
+ Add
Except:
From 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15 edit delete
+ Add
answered Mar 14 at 14:01
Stacy HStacy H
85817
85817
3
That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
add a comment |
3
That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
3
3
That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
That would simplify things for sure, thanks. Unfortunately that wouldn't help with users being lost with the different periods definition...
– Yannick Blondeau
Mar 14 at 14:13
add a comment |
Usually simplifying the copy language helps (something like "add valid time range" & "block specific dates".
A second option would be adding colors such as green (for restricted times) and red (for exception times), following the logic:
Green => go, Red =>stop
A third option is to add an icon (+ for add, - for restricting).
Best if you do all three together, this makes sure you cover more users' logics (i.e. graphic-oriented vs readers) Try to think of the user as if you were talking to a kid ;) this always helps me!
2
This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
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Usually simplifying the copy language helps (something like "add valid time range" & "block specific dates".
A second option would be adding colors such as green (for restricted times) and red (for exception times), following the logic:
Green => go, Red =>stop
A third option is to add an icon (+ for add, - for restricting).
Best if you do all three together, this makes sure you cover more users' logics (i.e. graphic-oriented vs readers) Try to think of the user as if you were talking to a kid ;) this always helps me!
2
This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
add a comment |
Usually simplifying the copy language helps (something like "add valid time range" & "block specific dates".
A second option would be adding colors such as green (for restricted times) and red (for exception times), following the logic:
Green => go, Red =>stop
A third option is to add an icon (+ for add, - for restricting).
Best if you do all three together, this makes sure you cover more users' logics (i.e. graphic-oriented vs readers) Try to think of the user as if you were talking to a kid ;) this always helps me!
Usually simplifying the copy language helps (something like "add valid time range" & "block specific dates".
A second option would be adding colors such as green (for restricted times) and red (for exception times), following the logic:
Green => go, Red =>stop
A third option is to add an icon (+ for add, - for restricting).
Best if you do all three together, this makes sure you cover more users' logics (i.e. graphic-oriented vs readers) Try to think of the user as if you were talking to a kid ;) this always helps me!
answered Mar 14 at 14:21
Andrea MaillardAndrea Maillard
312
312
2
This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
add a comment |
2
This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
2
2
This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
This is not accessible. Red-green colour blindness is prevalent (and the meaning of red/green can also differ across cultures)
– Lightness Races in Orbit
Mar 15 at 18:07
add a comment |
The problem is that you are presenting the rules, but not the result.
As a litmus test, try to answer the question: is the criterion applied on Mar 23rd?
Instead of:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31
Except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15
The following display is easier to reason about... especially as exceptions pile up:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
It could also be helpful to make this more visual. Calendars would be greatly helpful; especially with clicking to toggle on/off and SHIFT+click or CTRL+click to mass select/unselect.
If space is limited, even with text you could add extra information to help the user:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13 (x days)
-- y days later --
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31 (z days)
This order of magnitude check can help the user identifying typos.
add a comment |
The problem is that you are presenting the rules, but not the result.
As a litmus test, try to answer the question: is the criterion applied on Mar 23rd?
Instead of:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31
Except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15
The following display is easier to reason about... especially as exceptions pile up:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
It could also be helpful to make this more visual. Calendars would be greatly helpful; especially with clicking to toggle on/off and SHIFT+click or CTRL+click to mass select/unselect.
If space is limited, even with text you could add extra information to help the user:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13 (x days)
-- y days later --
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31 (z days)
This order of magnitude check can help the user identifying typos.
add a comment |
The problem is that you are presenting the rules, but not the result.
As a litmus test, try to answer the question: is the criterion applied on Mar 23rd?
Instead of:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31
Except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15
The following display is easier to reason about... especially as exceptions pile up:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
It could also be helpful to make this more visual. Calendars would be greatly helpful; especially with clicking to toggle on/off and SHIFT+click or CTRL+click to mass select/unselect.
If space is limited, even with text you could add extra information to help the user:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13 (x days)
-- y days later --
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31 (z days)
This order of magnitude check can help the user identifying typos.
The problem is that you are presenting the rules, but not the result.
As a litmus test, try to answer the question: is the criterion applied on Mar 23rd?
Instead of:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31
Except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15
The following display is easier to reason about... especially as exceptions pile up:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31
It could also be helpful to make this more visual. Calendars would be greatly helpful; especially with clicking to toggle on/off and SHIFT+click or CTRL+click to mass select/unselect.
If space is limited, even with text you could add extra information to help the user:
Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-13 (x days)
-- y days later --
Applies from 2019-08-16 to 2019-12-31 (z days)
This order of magnitude check can help the user identifying typos.
answered Mar 15 at 16:42
Matthieu M.Matthieu M.
21126
21126
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what is the smallest and largest units of time here? How small can an exception be to a restriction?
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 13:36
1
ah okay, see my answer, i would say then you wouldn't have the 'gray' area in between it sounds like.
– Mike M
Mar 14 at 14:24
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I can't edited only two characters due to low rep, but the singular of criteria is criterion.
– henning
Mar 14 at 17:16
1
Submitting a comment since you mentioned keeping functionality. Having "application" vs. "exclusion" doesn't seem helpful conceptually or for data entry. For example, in your criteria 3, the user must enter two date ranges (4 dates). So why not just enter the two date ranges for application: 2019/1/1 through 2019-7-14, and 2019-8-15 through 2019-12-31? If you have one range of "application" with 2 periods of "exception", this is the same thing as 3 ranges of "application." Either way, the user still has to enter 6 dates. What does the application vs. exception distinction buy you?
– Randall Stewart
Mar 14 at 17:26
2
What purpose do these exceptions serve? Why is it preferred to input "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-12-31, except from 2019-07-14 to 2019-08-15" and not simply "Applies from 2019-01-01 to 2019-07-14 and 2019-08-15 to 2019-12-31". Same functionality, but you reduce the available inputs a lot.
– Polygnome
Mar 15 at 0:06