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Pros and cons of using the zscore of a dataset before normalizing it during feature engineering?



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Normalization is a common feature engineering technique. However, this post used standardize(zscore) on the dataset before normalizing it.



I think that would result in losing some of the information in data.



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      Normalization is a common feature engineering technique. However, this post used standardize(zscore) on the dataset before normalizing it.



      I think that would result in losing some of the information in data.



      What are the pros and cons of doing this?










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      I think that would result in losing some of the information in data.



      What are the pros and cons of doing this?







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          Z-scores normalisation are a way to compare results from a test to a “normal” population and bring them to a same comparable scale. Advantages of ZScore can thus be:



          $$ z_score = fracx-bar xsigma $$



          The Z score normalisation has the following advantages:



          1. Z Score can be used to compare raw scores that are taken from different tests

          2. Z score takes into account both the mean value and the variability in a set of raw scores.

          And the Disadvantages of Z score are:



          1. Z Score always assume a normal distribution.

          2. If the data is skewed, the distribution of the left and right of the origin line is not equal.





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            Normalizing an already normalized dataset should not change anything unless for some reason a different normalization scheme is used.






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              Z-scores normalisation are a way to compare results from a test to a “normal” population and bring them to a same comparable scale. Advantages of ZScore can thus be:



              $$ z_score = fracx-bar xsigma $$



              The Z score normalisation has the following advantages:



              1. Z Score can be used to compare raw scores that are taken from different tests

              2. Z score takes into account both the mean value and the variability in a set of raw scores.

              And the Disadvantages of Z score are:



              1. Z Score always assume a normal distribution.

              2. If the data is skewed, the distribution of the left and right of the origin line is not equal.





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                Z-scores normalisation are a way to compare results from a test to a “normal” population and bring them to a same comparable scale. Advantages of ZScore can thus be:



                $$ z_score = fracx-bar xsigma $$



                The Z score normalisation has the following advantages:



                1. Z Score can be used to compare raw scores that are taken from different tests

                2. Z score takes into account both the mean value and the variability in a set of raw scores.

                And the Disadvantages of Z score are:



                1. Z Score always assume a normal distribution.

                2. If the data is skewed, the distribution of the left and right of the origin line is not equal.





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                  Z-scores normalisation are a way to compare results from a test to a “normal” population and bring them to a same comparable scale. Advantages of ZScore can thus be:



                  $$ z_score = fracx-bar xsigma $$



                  The Z score normalisation has the following advantages:



                  1. Z Score can be used to compare raw scores that are taken from different tests

                  2. Z score takes into account both the mean value and the variability in a set of raw scores.

                  And the Disadvantages of Z score are:



                  1. Z Score always assume a normal distribution.

                  2. If the data is skewed, the distribution of the left and right of the origin line is not equal.





                  share|improve this answer









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                  Z-scores normalisation are a way to compare results from a test to a “normal” population and bring them to a same comparable scale. Advantages of ZScore can thus be:



                  $$ z_score = fracx-bar xsigma $$



                  The Z score normalisation has the following advantages:



                  1. Z Score can be used to compare raw scores that are taken from different tests

                  2. Z score takes into account both the mean value and the variability in a set of raw scores.

                  And the Disadvantages of Z score are:



                  1. Z Score always assume a normal distribution.

                  2. If the data is skewed, the distribution of the left and right of the origin line is not equal.






                  share|improve this answer












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                      Normalizing an already normalized dataset should not change anything unless for some reason a different normalization scheme is used.






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