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Vanishing gradient problem for recent stochastic recurrent neural networks
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2019 Community Moderator Election ResultsStochastic gradient descent based on vector operations?Stochastic gradient descent and different approachesWhy is vanishing gradient a problem?Global average polling without fc layer, Vanishing gradient or other problem?Stochastic Gradient Descent BatchingImplementation of Stochastic Gradient Descent in PythonTypes of Recurrent Neural NetworksTraining Examples used in Stochastic Gradient DescentWhat's the correct reasoning behind solving the vanishing/exploding gradient problem in deep neural networks.?Gradient computation in neural networks
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Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.
I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?
References:
It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.
A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data
Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Pseudocode
The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:
def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
#prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht
What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.
Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?
python deep-learning gradient-descent recurrent-neural-net
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Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.
I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?
References:
It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.
A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data
Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Pseudocode
The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:
def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
#prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht
What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.
Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?
python deep-learning gradient-descent recurrent-neural-net
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.
I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?
References:
It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.
A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data
Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Pseudocode
The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:
def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
#prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht
What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.
Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?
python deep-learning gradient-descent recurrent-neural-net
$endgroup$
Recently, I've found some papers about generative recurrent models. All have attached sub-networks like prior/encoder/decoder/etc. to well-known LSTM cell for composing an aggregation of new-type RNN cell.
I am just curious about whether the gradient vanishing/exploding happens or not to those new RNN cell. Isn't there any problem about that kind of combination?
References:
It seems like they all have similar pattern as mentioned above.
A Recurrent Latent Variable Model for Sequential Data
Learning Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Z-Forcing: Training Stochastic Recurrent Networks
Pseudocode
The pseudocode for recurrent architecture is below:
def new_rnncell_call(x, htm1):
#prior_net/posterior_net/decoder_net is single layer or mlp each
q_prior = prior_net(htm1) # prior step
q = posterior_net([htm1, x]) # inference step
z = sample_from(q) # reparameterization trick
target_dist = decoder_net(z) # generation step
ht = innerLSTM([z, x], htm1) # recurrent step
return [q_prior, q, target_dist], ht
What concerns me are those naked weights outside of well-known LSTM (or GRU etc.) cell during processing bptt without any gating logic for activations as the weights inside LSTM. For me, this looks not similar to stacked-rnn layers or additional dense layers just to outputs.
Doesn't that have any gradient vanishing/exploding problem?
python deep-learning gradient-descent recurrent-neural-net
python deep-learning gradient-descent recurrent-neural-net
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