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If a character with the Alert feat rolls a crit fail on their Perception check, are they surprised?
The Next CEO of Stack OverflowAfter successfully hitting with an attack roll, when rolling for damage, if you roll a 1, is that a negative crit?Is a critical failure on a natural 1 a rule or house rule?If you roll a 1 on a saving throw against a damage spell, do you take extra damage?Does a single PC who is stealthy get to surprise monsters when the rest of the group is not?Is the Alert Feat better than an Ability Score Improvement for a Rogue?Does the Alert feat make it impossible to pickpocket a character?How might a dex Fighter multiclass to maximize AC and damage per round?When Perception contests Stealth, how do you know which side gets advantage or disadvantage?Does Assassinate bypass Alert feat?Should a low roll mean my players get false information?Grappler Feat: Advantage on Attack Rolls While Being Grappled?How can I modify attacks on creatures making Death Saves to have less Coup de Grace?Advice on TWO troublesome players and their characters
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A Druid in my campaign has the Alert feat, which stops her from being surprised.
If she rolls a critical failure on her Perception check, would:
She get surprised because she crit-failed?
The Alert feat negate that?
I'm leaning more toward it's "up to the DM," but I wanted to get a second perspective on this.
dnd-5e feats skills critical-fail
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A Druid in my campaign has the Alert feat, which stops her from being surprised.
If she rolls a critical failure on her Perception check, would:
She get surprised because she crit-failed?
The Alert feat negate that?
I'm leaning more toward it's "up to the DM," but I wanted to get a second perspective on this.
dnd-5e feats skills critical-fail
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V2Blast
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– V2Blast
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Possible duplicate of Is a critical failure on a natural 1 a rule or house rule?
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– enkryptor
Mar 24 at 20:39
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see also rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/93831 , rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/135860
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– enkryptor
Mar 24 at 20:41
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@enkryptor Don't think it's a dupe, this one has the feat as an added consideration.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 24 at 21:04
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@KorvinStarmast the feat is irrelevant. The question basically asks "does the feat beat crit fail", but there is no such thing as "crit fail" in 5e. This would be valid for any "does X beat crit fail" question.
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A Druid in my campaign has the Alert feat, which stops her from being surprised.
If she rolls a critical failure on her Perception check, would:
She get surprised because she crit-failed?
The Alert feat negate that?
I'm leaning more toward it's "up to the DM," but I wanted to get a second perspective on this.
dnd-5e feats skills critical-fail
edited Mar 24 at 20:32
V2Blast
26.1k590159
asked Mar 24 at 17:19
tbrotbro
613
$endgroup$
A Druid in my campaign has the Alert feat, which stops her from being surprised.
If she rolls a critical failure on her Perception check, would:
She get surprised because she crit-failed?
The Alert feat negate that?
I'm leaning more toward it's "up to the DM," but I wanted to get a second perspective on this.
dnd-5e feats skills critical-fail
dnd-5e feats skills critical-fail
edited Mar 24 at 20:32
V2Blast
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asked Mar 24 at 17:19
tbrotbro
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V2Blast
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tbrotbro
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V2Blast
26.1k590159
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V2Blast
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– V2Blast
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Possible duplicate of Is a critical failure on a natural 1 a rule or house rule?
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– enkryptor
Mar 24 at 20:39
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see also rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/93831 , rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/135860
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– enkryptor
Mar 24 at 20:41
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@enkryptor Don't think it's a dupe, this one has the feat as an added consideration.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 24 at 21:04
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@KorvinStarmast the feat is irrelevant. The question basically asks "does the feat beat crit fail", but there is no such thing as "crit fail" in 5e. This would be valid for any "does X beat crit fail" question.
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Possible duplicate of Is a critical failure on a natural 1 a rule or house rule?
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– enkryptor
Mar 24 at 20:39
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see also rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/93831 , rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/135860
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– enkryptor
Mar 24 at 20:41
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@enkryptor Don't think it's a dupe, this one has the feat as an added consideration.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 24 at 21:04
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@KorvinStarmast the feat is irrelevant. The question basically asks "does the feat beat crit fail", but there is no such thing as "crit fail" in 5e. This would be valid for any "does X beat crit fail" question.
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Possible duplicate of Is a critical failure on a natural 1 a rule or house rule?
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– enkryptor
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Possible duplicate of Is a critical failure on a natural 1 a rule or house rule?
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– enkryptor
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see also rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/93831 , rpg.stackexchange.com/questions/135860
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– enkryptor
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– enkryptor
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@enkryptor Don't think it's a dupe, this one has the feat as an added consideration.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 24 at 21:04
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@enkryptor Don't think it's a dupe, this one has the feat as an added consideration.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 24 at 21:04
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@KorvinStarmast the feat is irrelevant. The question basically asks "does the feat beat crit fail", but there is no such thing as "crit fail" in 5e. This would be valid for any "does X beat crit fail" question.
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– enkryptor
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@KorvinStarmast the feat is irrelevant. The question basically asks "does the feat beat crit fail", but there is no such thing as "crit fail" in 5e. This would be valid for any "does X beat crit fail" question.
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2. The Alert feat negates surprise
Because the Alert feat (PHB, p. 165) states:
You can't be surprised while you are conscious
A character with the Alert feat cannot be surprised while they are conscious.
"Surprised" has a clear mechanical meaning.
If a character is surprised, they cannot act on their first turn of combat, and after their first turn, they are no longer surprised.
A character with the Alert feat who rolls a low perception check can be unprepared, but never surprised. Perhaps they don't have enough time to wake all their allies before combat starts or they don't have time to get into position or take the action required to don a shield (before combat). But they can never be "surprised".
Rules as Written, critical failures are only for attack rolls.
It is a common house rule that rolling a 1 on a d20 results in a critical fail, whatever the context - but there is no rule in D&D 5e that states that is the case for anything but attack rolls, where the result is simply "you miss".
Notes:
- The optional rule on page 242 of the DMG ("Critical Success or
Failure") doesn't explicitly state that a 1 rolled on an ability
check overrides a feat's features. - While it is not called "critical fail" or "critical success" the
death saving throw is a unique case in the rules where the
mechanics of a benefit, or harm, accrues to a saving throw coming up
20 or 1. (On a 20 you have 1 HP and are no longer unconscious, on a
1 you get two fails).
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
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Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
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– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
1
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@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
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Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
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Mar 25 at 13:54
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2. The Alert feat negates surprise
Because the Alert feat (PHB, p. 165) states:
You can't be surprised while you are conscious
A character with the Alert feat cannot be surprised while they are conscious.
"Surprised" has a clear mechanical meaning.
If a character is surprised, they cannot act on their first turn of combat, and after their first turn, they are no longer surprised.
A character with the Alert feat who rolls a low perception check can be unprepared, but never surprised. Perhaps they don't have enough time to wake all their allies before combat starts or they don't have time to get into position or take the action required to don a shield (before combat). But they can never be "surprised".
Rules as Written, critical failures are only for attack rolls.
It is a common house rule that rolling a 1 on a d20 results in a critical fail, whatever the context - but there is no rule in D&D 5e that states that is the case for anything but attack rolls, where the result is simply "you miss".
Notes:
- The optional rule on page 242 of the DMG ("Critical Success or
Failure") doesn't explicitly state that a 1 rolled on an ability
check overrides a feat's features. - While it is not called "critical fail" or "critical success" the
death saving throw is a unique case in the rules where the
mechanics of a benefit, or harm, accrues to a saving throw coming up
20 or 1. (On a 20 you have 1 HP and are no longer unconscious, on a
1 you get two fails).
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
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4
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Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
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– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
1
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@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
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Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
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– goodguy5
Mar 25 at 13:54
add a comment |
$begingroup$
2. The Alert feat negates surprise
Because the Alert feat (PHB, p. 165) states:
You can't be surprised while you are conscious
A character with the Alert feat cannot be surprised while they are conscious.
"Surprised" has a clear mechanical meaning.
If a character is surprised, they cannot act on their first turn of combat, and after their first turn, they are no longer surprised.
A character with the Alert feat who rolls a low perception check can be unprepared, but never surprised. Perhaps they don't have enough time to wake all their allies before combat starts or they don't have time to get into position or take the action required to don a shield (before combat). But they can never be "surprised".
Rules as Written, critical failures are only for attack rolls.
It is a common house rule that rolling a 1 on a d20 results in a critical fail, whatever the context - but there is no rule in D&D 5e that states that is the case for anything but attack rolls, where the result is simply "you miss".
Notes:
- The optional rule on page 242 of the DMG ("Critical Success or
Failure") doesn't explicitly state that a 1 rolled on an ability
check overrides a feat's features. - While it is not called "critical fail" or "critical success" the
death saving throw is a unique case in the rules where the
mechanics of a benefit, or harm, accrues to a saving throw coming up
20 or 1. (On a 20 you have 1 HP and are no longer unconscious, on a
1 you get two fails).
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
$endgroup$
4
$begingroup$
Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
1
$begingroup$
@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
$begingroup$
Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Mar 25 at 13:54
add a comment |
$begingroup$
2. The Alert feat negates surprise
Because the Alert feat (PHB, p. 165) states:
You can't be surprised while you are conscious
A character with the Alert feat cannot be surprised while they are conscious.
"Surprised" has a clear mechanical meaning.
If a character is surprised, they cannot act on their first turn of combat, and after their first turn, they are no longer surprised.
A character with the Alert feat who rolls a low perception check can be unprepared, but never surprised. Perhaps they don't have enough time to wake all their allies before combat starts or they don't have time to get into position or take the action required to don a shield (before combat). But they can never be "surprised".
Rules as Written, critical failures are only for attack rolls.
It is a common house rule that rolling a 1 on a d20 results in a critical fail, whatever the context - but there is no rule in D&D 5e that states that is the case for anything but attack rolls, where the result is simply "you miss".
Notes:
- The optional rule on page 242 of the DMG ("Critical Success or
Failure") doesn't explicitly state that a 1 rolled on an ability
check overrides a feat's features. - While it is not called "critical fail" or "critical success" the
death saving throw is a unique case in the rules where the
mechanics of a benefit, or harm, accrues to a saving throw coming up
20 or 1. (On a 20 you have 1 HP and are no longer unconscious, on a
1 you get two fails).
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
$endgroup$
2. The Alert feat negates surprise
Because the Alert feat (PHB, p. 165) states:
You can't be surprised while you are conscious
A character with the Alert feat cannot be surprised while they are conscious.
"Surprised" has a clear mechanical meaning.
If a character is surprised, they cannot act on their first turn of combat, and after their first turn, they are no longer surprised.
A character with the Alert feat who rolls a low perception check can be unprepared, but never surprised. Perhaps they don't have enough time to wake all their allies before combat starts or they don't have time to get into position or take the action required to don a shield (before combat). But they can never be "surprised".
Rules as Written, critical failures are only for attack rolls.
It is a common house rule that rolling a 1 on a d20 results in a critical fail, whatever the context - but there is no rule in D&D 5e that states that is the case for anything but attack rolls, where the result is simply "you miss".
Notes:
- The optional rule on page 242 of the DMG ("Critical Success or
Failure") doesn't explicitly state that a 1 rolled on an ability
check overrides a feat's features. - While it is not called "critical fail" or "critical success" the
death saving throw is a unique case in the rules where the
mechanics of a benefit, or harm, accrues to a saving throw coming up
20 or 1. (On a 20 you have 1 HP and are no longer unconscious, on a
1 you get two fails).
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
edited Mar 25 at 13:50
KorvinStarmast
82.9k20257445
82.9k20257445
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
answered Mar 24 at 17:27
Blake SteelBlake Steel
4,3281951
4,3281951
4
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Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
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– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
1
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@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
$begingroup$
Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Mar 25 at 13:54
add a comment |
4
$begingroup$
Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
1
$begingroup$
@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
$begingroup$
Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Mar 25 at 13:54
4
4
$begingroup$
Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
$begingroup$
Crit fails (and successes) are also for death saves.
$endgroup$
– Nacht
Mar 25 at 0:02
1
1
$begingroup$
@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
$begingroup$
@Nacht I added your point in as a note. Blake, I hope you approve. If not, by all means revert.
$endgroup$
– KorvinStarmast
Mar 25 at 13:50
$begingroup$
Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Mar 25 at 13:54
$begingroup$
Personally, I feel that " critical failures are only for attack rolls." should be the main point here, as it resolves any other confusion.
$endgroup$
– goodguy5
Mar 25 at 13:54
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– KorvinStarmast
Mar 24 at 21:04
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@KorvinStarmast the feat is irrelevant. The question basically asks "does the feat beat crit fail", but there is no such thing as "crit fail" in 5e. This would be valid for any "does X beat crit fail" question.
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– enkryptor
Mar 25 at 9:21