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For a personal project I was trying to transcribe a part of the flute solo in this piece. However, I am unsure at what speed I should transcribe the piece. I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better. I have transcribed the first few seconds of the piece at 250 bpm and 125 bpm respectively in the image below.



What BPM is would be considered more fitting? Or is this a subjective matter?



EDIT: I know this transcription is in the wrong key, it was just a quick mock-up to go with the question, to depict the rhythm. The actual transcription has been made in the right key. (:



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  • This rhythm notation here is absolutely ok. But the notated key is wrong and not useful. Look up my answer.

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For a personal project I was trying to transcribe a part of the flute solo in this piece. However, I am unsure at what speed I should transcribe the piece. I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better. I have transcribed the first few seconds of the piece at 250 bpm and 125 bpm respectively in the image below.



What BPM is would be considered more fitting? Or is this a subjective matter?



EDIT: I know this transcription is in the wrong key, it was just a quick mock-up to go with the question, to depict the rhythm. The actual transcription has been made in the right key. (:



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  • This rhythm notation here is absolutely ok. But the notated key is wrong and not useful. Look up my answer.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Mar 27 at 21:23













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For a personal project I was trying to transcribe a part of the flute solo in this piece. However, I am unsure at what speed I should transcribe the piece. I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better. I have transcribed the first few seconds of the piece at 250 bpm and 125 bpm respectively in the image below.



What BPM is would be considered more fitting? Or is this a subjective matter?



EDIT: I know this transcription is in the wrong key, it was just a quick mock-up to go with the question, to depict the rhythm. The actual transcription has been made in the right key. (:



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For a personal project I was trying to transcribe a part of the flute solo in this piece. However, I am unsure at what speed I should transcribe the piece. I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better. I have transcribed the first few seconds of the piece at 250 bpm and 125 bpm respectively in the image below.



What BPM is would be considered more fitting? Or is this a subjective matter?



EDIT: I know this transcription is in the wrong key, it was just a quick mock-up to go with the question, to depict the rhythm. The actual transcription has been made in the right key. (:



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  • This rhythm notation here is absolutely ok. But the notated key is wrong and not useful. Look up my answer.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Mar 27 at 21:23

















  • This rhythm notation here is absolutely ok. But the notated key is wrong and not useful. Look up my answer.

    – Albrecht Hügli
    Mar 27 at 21:23
















This rhythm notation here is absolutely ok. But the notated key is wrong and not useful. Look up my answer.

– Albrecht Hügli
Mar 27 at 21:23





This rhythm notation here is absolutely ok. But the notated key is wrong and not useful. Look up my answer.

– Albrecht Hügli
Mar 27 at 21:23










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This question is often subjective, but there are some objective rationalizations that make things easier.



I would strongly recommend transcribing this in a way that doesn't use so many small note values. Not only does this match the feel of the music better, it will also be easier for a performer to read; those 64th notes in the 125bpm transcription are pretty gnarly.



With that said, remember that you can transcribe something into a form of cut time. In this case, I'd use the 250bpm transcription but with a 2/2 time signature, signifying that the half note receives the beat instead of the quarter note (and thus it's really 125bpm).



Transcribing it in cut time is really the best of both worlds: you get the notational simplicity of the 250bpm transcription with the half-time feel of the 125bpm transcription.






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  • If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

    – Mark Marketing
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    @MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

    – Richard
    Mar 26 at 20:07











  • That makes sense, thank you.

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:08


















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What I do in these cases is to listen to the drums. Listen to what the drummer is playing and you can easily deduct the tempo. In this song, the Kick Drum and the Snare Drum are being played on the beats 1,3 and 2,4 respectively and they are quarter notes. These quarter notes are on 125bpm, no matter how fast the flute is playing.



This is really common for the drummer; to play the kick and snare drums on quarter notes (this is the pulse of the song) and the hi hat on eighth notes, which is exactly the case in the song.






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  • -1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 4:17











  • @user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

    – Shevliaskovic
    Mar 27 at 6:16











  • Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

    – Richard Metzler
    Mar 27 at 14:40












  • @Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 15:10


















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I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better.




I would ask: Less complicated to whom? As it is notated by a computer program I assume you mean: to the interprete.



Even I risk to be critsized again that I don‘t answer the OP‘s question ... my advice will be:



All this discussion here about bpm is absolutely senseless as long your transcription is in the wrong key! You can forget your doubts what division to choose. This one here will be ok for every musician.



But this piece is in Eb major and your notation is almost unreadable as with all this accidentals it is pretty nonsense.



While in the correct key it will be much less complicated to reading.



Concerning your question about the bpm I‘m thinking of Bach‘s famos Air of the Suite in D. There are lots of 32nd notes but it doesn’t seem to be any problem for reading ...






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    Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

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This question is often subjective, but there are some objective rationalizations that make things easier.



I would strongly recommend transcribing this in a way that doesn't use so many small note values. Not only does this match the feel of the music better, it will also be easier for a performer to read; those 64th notes in the 125bpm transcription are pretty gnarly.



With that said, remember that you can transcribe something into a form of cut time. In this case, I'd use the 250bpm transcription but with a 2/2 time signature, signifying that the half note receives the beat instead of the quarter note (and thus it's really 125bpm).



Transcribing it in cut time is really the best of both worlds: you get the notational simplicity of the 250bpm transcription with the half-time feel of the 125bpm transcription.






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  • If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

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    Mar 26 at 20:06






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    @MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

    – Richard
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  • That makes sense, thank you.

    – Mark Marketing
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This question is often subjective, but there are some objective rationalizations that make things easier.



I would strongly recommend transcribing this in a way that doesn't use so many small note values. Not only does this match the feel of the music better, it will also be easier for a performer to read; those 64th notes in the 125bpm transcription are pretty gnarly.



With that said, remember that you can transcribe something into a form of cut time. In this case, I'd use the 250bpm transcription but with a 2/2 time signature, signifying that the half note receives the beat instead of the quarter note (and thus it's really 125bpm).



Transcribing it in cut time is really the best of both worlds: you get the notational simplicity of the 250bpm transcription with the half-time feel of the 125bpm transcription.






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  • If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:06






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    @MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

    – Richard
    Mar 26 at 20:07











  • That makes sense, thank you.

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:08













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This question is often subjective, but there are some objective rationalizations that make things easier.



I would strongly recommend transcribing this in a way that doesn't use so many small note values. Not only does this match the feel of the music better, it will also be easier for a performer to read; those 64th notes in the 125bpm transcription are pretty gnarly.



With that said, remember that you can transcribe something into a form of cut time. In this case, I'd use the 250bpm transcription but with a 2/2 time signature, signifying that the half note receives the beat instead of the quarter note (and thus it's really 125bpm).



Transcribing it in cut time is really the best of both worlds: you get the notational simplicity of the 250bpm transcription with the half-time feel of the 125bpm transcription.






share|improve this answer















This question is often subjective, but there are some objective rationalizations that make things easier.



I would strongly recommend transcribing this in a way that doesn't use so many small note values. Not only does this match the feel of the music better, it will also be easier for a performer to read; those 64th notes in the 125bpm transcription are pretty gnarly.



With that said, remember that you can transcribe something into a form of cut time. In this case, I'd use the 250bpm transcription but with a 2/2 time signature, signifying that the half note receives the beat instead of the quarter note (and thus it's really 125bpm).



Transcribing it in cut time is really the best of both worlds: you get the notational simplicity of the 250bpm transcription with the half-time feel of the 125bpm transcription.







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  • If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:06






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    @MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

    – Richard
    Mar 26 at 20:07











  • That makes sense, thank you.

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:08

















  • If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:06






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    @MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

    – Richard
    Mar 26 at 20:07











  • That makes sense, thank you.

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 26 at 20:08
















If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

– Mark Marketing
Mar 26 at 20:06





If I then transcribe the piece at 125bpm should the 64th notes be in there still?

– Mark Marketing
Mar 26 at 20:06




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@MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

– Richard
Mar 26 at 20:07





@MarkMarketing Not if the beat value is a half note. If that's the case, then it will look like your 250bpm transcription, just with a 2/2 time signature.

– Richard
Mar 26 at 20:07













That makes sense, thank you.

– Mark Marketing
Mar 26 at 20:08





That makes sense, thank you.

– Mark Marketing
Mar 26 at 20:08











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What I do in these cases is to listen to the drums. Listen to what the drummer is playing and you can easily deduct the tempo. In this song, the Kick Drum and the Snare Drum are being played on the beats 1,3 and 2,4 respectively and they are quarter notes. These quarter notes are on 125bpm, no matter how fast the flute is playing.



This is really common for the drummer; to play the kick and snare drums on quarter notes (this is the pulse of the song) and the hi hat on eighth notes, which is exactly the case in the song.






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  • -1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 4:17











  • @user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

    – Shevliaskovic
    Mar 27 at 6:16











  • Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

    – Richard Metzler
    Mar 27 at 14:40












  • @Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 15:10















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What I do in these cases is to listen to the drums. Listen to what the drummer is playing and you can easily deduct the tempo. In this song, the Kick Drum and the Snare Drum are being played on the beats 1,3 and 2,4 respectively and they are quarter notes. These quarter notes are on 125bpm, no matter how fast the flute is playing.



This is really common for the drummer; to play the kick and snare drums on quarter notes (this is the pulse of the song) and the hi hat on eighth notes, which is exactly the case in the song.






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  • -1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 4:17











  • @user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

    – Shevliaskovic
    Mar 27 at 6:16











  • Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

    – Richard Metzler
    Mar 27 at 14:40












  • @Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 15:10













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What I do in these cases is to listen to the drums. Listen to what the drummer is playing and you can easily deduct the tempo. In this song, the Kick Drum and the Snare Drum are being played on the beats 1,3 and 2,4 respectively and they are quarter notes. These quarter notes are on 125bpm, no matter how fast the flute is playing.



This is really common for the drummer; to play the kick and snare drums on quarter notes (this is the pulse of the song) and the hi hat on eighth notes, which is exactly the case in the song.






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What I do in these cases is to listen to the drums. Listen to what the drummer is playing and you can easily deduct the tempo. In this song, the Kick Drum and the Snare Drum are being played on the beats 1,3 and 2,4 respectively and they are quarter notes. These quarter notes are on 125bpm, no matter how fast the flute is playing.



This is really common for the drummer; to play the kick and snare drums on quarter notes (this is the pulse of the song) and the hi hat on eighth notes, which is exactly the case in the song.







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  • -1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 4:17











  • @user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

    – Shevliaskovic
    Mar 27 at 6:16











  • Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

    – Richard Metzler
    Mar 27 at 14:40












  • @Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 15:10

















  • -1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 4:17











  • @user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

    – Shevliaskovic
    Mar 27 at 6:16











  • Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

    – Richard Metzler
    Mar 27 at 14:40












  • @Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

    – user45266
    Mar 27 at 15:10
















-1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

– user45266
Mar 27 at 4:17





-1. OP is transcribing a flute solo.

– user45266
Mar 27 at 4:17













@user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

– Shevliaskovic
Mar 27 at 6:16





@user42566 which is a part of a song; it's not on its own. There is a difference

– Shevliaskovic
Mar 27 at 6:16













Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

– Richard Metzler
Mar 27 at 14:40






Spot on. When in doubt, listen to the song and tap your foot to the music. I found myself grooving along at 125 bpm to variations of a standard 4/4 beat. If the flute happens to be played in 64th, tough luck. If a reader can't handle it, they should pick a piece with slower flute parts.

– Richard Metzler
Mar 27 at 14:40














@Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

– user45266
Mar 27 at 15:10





@Shevliaskovic Okay, never mind. Didn't realise the piece did have drums. Undownvoted, +1.

– user45266
Mar 27 at 15:10











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I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better.




I would ask: Less complicated to whom? As it is notated by a computer program I assume you mean: to the interprete.



Even I risk to be critsized again that I don‘t answer the OP‘s question ... my advice will be:



All this discussion here about bpm is absolutely senseless as long your transcription is in the wrong key! You can forget your doubts what division to choose. This one here will be ok for every musician.



But this piece is in Eb major and your notation is almost unreadable as with all this accidentals it is pretty nonsense.



While in the correct key it will be much less complicated to reading.



Concerning your question about the bpm I‘m thinking of Bach‘s famos Air of the Suite in D. There are lots of 32nd notes but it doesn’t seem to be any problem for reading ...






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    Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

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    Mar 28 at 16:59















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I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better.




I would ask: Less complicated to whom? As it is notated by a computer program I assume you mean: to the interprete.



Even I risk to be critsized again that I don‘t answer the OP‘s question ... my advice will be:



All this discussion here about bpm is absolutely senseless as long your transcription is in the wrong key! You can forget your doubts what division to choose. This one here will be ok for every musician.



But this piece is in Eb major and your notation is almost unreadable as with all this accidentals it is pretty nonsense.



While in the correct key it will be much less complicated to reading.



Concerning your question about the bpm I‘m thinking of Bach‘s famos Air of the Suite in D. There are lots of 32nd notes but it doesn’t seem to be any problem for reading ...






share|improve this answer


















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    Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

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    Mar 28 at 16:59













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I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better.




I would ask: Less complicated to whom? As it is notated by a computer program I assume you mean: to the interprete.



Even I risk to be critsized again that I don‘t answer the OP‘s question ... my advice will be:



All this discussion here about bpm is absolutely senseless as long your transcription is in the wrong key! You can forget your doubts what division to choose. This one here will be ok for every musician.



But this piece is in Eb major and your notation is almost unreadable as with all this accidentals it is pretty nonsense.



While in the correct key it will be much less complicated to reading.



Concerning your question about the bpm I‘m thinking of Bach‘s famos Air of the Suite in D. There are lots of 32nd notes but it doesn’t seem to be any problem for reading ...






share|improve this answer














I could either transcribe the piece at 250 bpm or 125 bpm. If the piece is transcribed with 250 bpm the transcription may be significantly less complicated, but 125 bpm may fit the piece better.




I would ask: Less complicated to whom? As it is notated by a computer program I assume you mean: to the interprete.



Even I risk to be critsized again that I don‘t answer the OP‘s question ... my advice will be:



All this discussion here about bpm is absolutely senseless as long your transcription is in the wrong key! You can forget your doubts what division to choose. This one here will be ok for every musician.



But this piece is in Eb major and your notation is almost unreadable as with all this accidentals it is pretty nonsense.



While in the correct key it will be much less complicated to reading.



Concerning your question about the bpm I‘m thinking of Bach‘s famos Air of the Suite in D. There are lots of 32nd notes but it doesn’t seem to be any problem for reading ...







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    Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

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    Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

    – Mark Marketing
    Mar 28 at 16:59







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Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

– Mark Marketing
Mar 28 at 16:59





Don't worry, the transcription I added was just a small mockup to show the rythm, the actual transcription was indeed done in Eb major.

– Mark Marketing
Mar 28 at 16:59










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