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Is there any reason not to eat food that's been dropped on the surface of the moon?
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Are there any kind of contaminants or other reasons that might be dangerous? I'd assume that as far as microbes/bacteria goes, eating off the ground on the moon is much safer than it would be on earth.
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Lunar regolith/soil/dust is probably rather nasty stuff to ingest.
Where the dust on earth has been whirled about in air currents and rounded off, lunar dust is quite sharp and abrasive. It's similar to the difference between pebbles that have been rounded by water in rivers and coastlines, and regular uneroded rocks. This is true even for the finest of particles.
If you scroll down to the 'harmful effects' section of the linked wiki page, it details some of the problems if you breathe it in (effects similar to silicosis). While your digestive tract is largely a little sturdier than your lungs when it comes to ingesting stuff you shouldn't, I doubt eating significant quantities of what amounts to glass dust would do you much good.
Edit: turns out it's even nastier!
As @TomášZato mentions in the comments, lunar dust also has a significant amount of unreacted molecules and compounds in it. On earth, these have usually reacted a long time ago and are now inert. Needless to say, ingesting particles of reactive matter is also not recommended.
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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@Baldrickk "Still, turns out they're a great portal conductor."
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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Brush it off, eat it.
Of course there are trace amounts of elements present that are potentially harmful, but the bulk is made up of benign stuff: 50% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, 10% CaO, 10% MgO, 5% TiO2 and 5-15% iron. There will be no microorganisms, no parasites, no viruses, no higher organic poisons. there will be mostly sand-like stuff.
About the trace amounts of less cheerful stuff: Consider how much regolith will remain on your dropped sand(ha!)wich - One gram would be much even if you rolled it around in the stuff. Say 1/1000th of that is Chromium (it is not), and pretend all of that then proceeds to villainly oxidise into hexavalent Chromium (the deadly stuff) instead of trivalent Chromium (the vitally important stuff). LD50 for hexavalent Chromium is 50-150 mg/kg ... And you just now ingested .01 mg/kg (if you weigh 100kg). You are safe (but don't make a habit out of it!)
The sharp edges of the stuff will not be an issue either: very large shards of freshly broken glass pose a hazard to your digestive tract, but anything on the scale of 'stuff clinging to your sandwich' does not. If you bite off a shard off a glass of water (as children sometimes do) many emergency personnel will only intervene by making them eat some bread afterwards. It all gets buffered by the slime. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/01/18/1828923.htm
Of course it's not Best Practices to eat stuff from the ground, but a little regolith won't hurt.
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It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
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@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
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@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
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You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
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@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
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It'll break your teeth. The moon is often very cold or very hot on the surface. The sandwich has potentially been flash-frozen or is now burnt depending on where it dropped.
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IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
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Also true. I'll update the answer.
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How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
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When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
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Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
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Lunar regolith/soil/dust is probably rather nasty stuff to ingest.
Where the dust on earth has been whirled about in air currents and rounded off, lunar dust is quite sharp and abrasive. It's similar to the difference between pebbles that have been rounded by water in rivers and coastlines, and regular uneroded rocks. This is true even for the finest of particles.
If you scroll down to the 'harmful effects' section of the linked wiki page, it details some of the problems if you breathe it in (effects similar to silicosis). While your digestive tract is largely a little sturdier than your lungs when it comes to ingesting stuff you shouldn't, I doubt eating significant quantities of what amounts to glass dust would do you much good.
Edit: turns out it's even nastier!
As @TomášZato mentions in the comments, lunar dust also has a significant amount of unreacted molecules and compounds in it. On earth, these have usually reacted a long time ago and are now inert. Needless to say, ingesting particles of reactive matter is also not recommended.
answered Mar 26 at 12:51
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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@Baldrickk "Still, turns out they're a great portal conductor."
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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– Baldrickk
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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Lunar regolith/soil/dust is probably rather nasty stuff to ingest.
Where the dust on earth has been whirled about in air currents and rounded off, lunar dust is quite sharp and abrasive. It's similar to the difference between pebbles that have been rounded by water in rivers and coastlines, and regular uneroded rocks. This is true even for the finest of particles.
If you scroll down to the 'harmful effects' section of the linked wiki page, it details some of the problems if you breathe it in (effects similar to silicosis). While your digestive tract is largely a little sturdier than your lungs when it comes to ingesting stuff you shouldn't, I doubt eating significant quantities of what amounts to glass dust would do you much good.
Edit: turns out it's even nastier!
As @TomášZato mentions in the comments, lunar dust also has a significant amount of unreacted molecules and compounds in it. On earth, these have usually reacted a long time ago and are now inert. Needless to say, ingesting particles of reactive matter is also not recommended.
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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@Baldrickk "Still, turns out they're a great portal conductor."
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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– Ynneadwraith
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Lunar regolith/soil/dust is probably rather nasty stuff to ingest.
Where the dust on earth has been whirled about in air currents and rounded off, lunar dust is quite sharp and abrasive. It's similar to the difference between pebbles that have been rounded by water in rivers and coastlines, and regular uneroded rocks. This is true even for the finest of particles.
If you scroll down to the 'harmful effects' section of the linked wiki page, it details some of the problems if you breathe it in (effects similar to silicosis). While your digestive tract is largely a little sturdier than your lungs when it comes to ingesting stuff you shouldn't, I doubt eating significant quantities of what amounts to glass dust would do you much good.
Edit: turns out it's even nastier!
As @TomášZato mentions in the comments, lunar dust also has a significant amount of unreacted molecules and compounds in it. On earth, these have usually reacted a long time ago and are now inert. Needless to say, ingesting particles of reactive matter is also not recommended.
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Lunar regolith/soil/dust is probably rather nasty stuff to ingest.
Where the dust on earth has been whirled about in air currents and rounded off, lunar dust is quite sharp and abrasive. It's similar to the difference between pebbles that have been rounded by water in rivers and coastlines, and regular uneroded rocks. This is true even for the finest of particles.
If you scroll down to the 'harmful effects' section of the linked wiki page, it details some of the problems if you breathe it in (effects similar to silicosis). While your digestive tract is largely a little sturdier than your lungs when it comes to ingesting stuff you shouldn't, I doubt eating significant quantities of what amounts to glass dust would do you much good.
Edit: turns out it's even nastier!
As @TomášZato mentions in the comments, lunar dust also has a significant amount of unreacted molecules and compounds in it. On earth, these have usually reacted a long time ago and are now inert. Needless to say, ingesting particles of reactive matter is also not recommended.
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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@Baldrickk "Still, turns out they're a great portal conductor."
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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@Baldrickk "Still, turns out they're a great portal conductor."
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– Ynneadwraith
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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– Baldrickk
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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"The bean counters told me we literally could not afford to buy seven dollars worth of moon rocks, much less seventy million. Bought 'em anyway. Ground 'em up, mixed em into a gel." ref "And guess what? Ground up moon rocks are pure poison. I am deathly ill." ref
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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– Baldrickk
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@Ynneadwraith indeed. When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade, make life take the lemons back! (especially prudent advice when covered in lunar regolith)
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– Baldrickk
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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– Ynneadwraith
Mar 26 at 14:46
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@bukwyrm It's not the large bits that we're worried about. It's the dust. The fine abrasive particles that would coat the food and be very difficult to wholly remove (judging by the experience of cleaning astronauts EV suits). Not strictly deadly in tiny quantities, but still not something you want to be regularly ingesting (much like glass dust). Active coal may not be terribly problematic, but that doesn't mean ingesting things like elemental phosphorus, sodium, potassium and manganese are a great idea.
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– Ynneadwraith
Mar 26 at 14:46
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Brush it off, eat it.
Of course there are trace amounts of elements present that are potentially harmful, but the bulk is made up of benign stuff: 50% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, 10% CaO, 10% MgO, 5% TiO2 and 5-15% iron. There will be no microorganisms, no parasites, no viruses, no higher organic poisons. there will be mostly sand-like stuff.
About the trace amounts of less cheerful stuff: Consider how much regolith will remain on your dropped sand(ha!)wich - One gram would be much even if you rolled it around in the stuff. Say 1/1000th of that is Chromium (it is not), and pretend all of that then proceeds to villainly oxidise into hexavalent Chromium (the deadly stuff) instead of trivalent Chromium (the vitally important stuff). LD50 for hexavalent Chromium is 50-150 mg/kg ... And you just now ingested .01 mg/kg (if you weigh 100kg). You are safe (but don't make a habit out of it!)
The sharp edges of the stuff will not be an issue either: very large shards of freshly broken glass pose a hazard to your digestive tract, but anything on the scale of 'stuff clinging to your sandwich' does not. If you bite off a shard off a glass of water (as children sometimes do) many emergency personnel will only intervene by making them eat some bread afterwards. It all gets buffered by the slime. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/01/18/1828923.htm
Of course it's not Best Practices to eat stuff from the ground, but a little regolith won't hurt.
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
$endgroup$
6
$begingroup$
It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:18
1
$begingroup$
@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
$endgroup$
– bukwyrm
Mar 26 at 16:27
3
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:29
7
$begingroup$
You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
$endgroup$
– Zibbobz
Mar 26 at 16:29
2
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
$endgroup$
– Slarty
Mar 26 at 16:39
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show 5 more comments
$begingroup$
Brush it off, eat it.
Of course there are trace amounts of elements present that are potentially harmful, but the bulk is made up of benign stuff: 50% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, 10% CaO, 10% MgO, 5% TiO2 and 5-15% iron. There will be no microorganisms, no parasites, no viruses, no higher organic poisons. there will be mostly sand-like stuff.
About the trace amounts of less cheerful stuff: Consider how much regolith will remain on your dropped sand(ha!)wich - One gram would be much even if you rolled it around in the stuff. Say 1/1000th of that is Chromium (it is not), and pretend all of that then proceeds to villainly oxidise into hexavalent Chromium (the deadly stuff) instead of trivalent Chromium (the vitally important stuff). LD50 for hexavalent Chromium is 50-150 mg/kg ... And you just now ingested .01 mg/kg (if you weigh 100kg). You are safe (but don't make a habit out of it!)
The sharp edges of the stuff will not be an issue either: very large shards of freshly broken glass pose a hazard to your digestive tract, but anything on the scale of 'stuff clinging to your sandwich' does not. If you bite off a shard off a glass of water (as children sometimes do) many emergency personnel will only intervene by making them eat some bread afterwards. It all gets buffered by the slime. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/01/18/1828923.htm
Of course it's not Best Practices to eat stuff from the ground, but a little regolith won't hurt.
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
$endgroup$
6
$begingroup$
It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:18
1
$begingroup$
@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
$endgroup$
– bukwyrm
Mar 26 at 16:27
3
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:29
7
$begingroup$
You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
$endgroup$
– Zibbobz
Mar 26 at 16:29
2
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
$endgroup$
– Slarty
Mar 26 at 16:39
|
show 5 more comments
$begingroup$
Brush it off, eat it.
Of course there are trace amounts of elements present that are potentially harmful, but the bulk is made up of benign stuff: 50% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, 10% CaO, 10% MgO, 5% TiO2 and 5-15% iron. There will be no microorganisms, no parasites, no viruses, no higher organic poisons. there will be mostly sand-like stuff.
About the trace amounts of less cheerful stuff: Consider how much regolith will remain on your dropped sand(ha!)wich - One gram would be much even if you rolled it around in the stuff. Say 1/1000th of that is Chromium (it is not), and pretend all of that then proceeds to villainly oxidise into hexavalent Chromium (the deadly stuff) instead of trivalent Chromium (the vitally important stuff). LD50 for hexavalent Chromium is 50-150 mg/kg ... And you just now ingested .01 mg/kg (if you weigh 100kg). You are safe (but don't make a habit out of it!)
The sharp edges of the stuff will not be an issue either: very large shards of freshly broken glass pose a hazard to your digestive tract, but anything on the scale of 'stuff clinging to your sandwich' does not. If you bite off a shard off a glass of water (as children sometimes do) many emergency personnel will only intervene by making them eat some bread afterwards. It all gets buffered by the slime. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/01/18/1828923.htm
Of course it's not Best Practices to eat stuff from the ground, but a little regolith won't hurt.
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
$endgroup$
Brush it off, eat it.
Of course there are trace amounts of elements present that are potentially harmful, but the bulk is made up of benign stuff: 50% SiO2, 15% Al2O3, 10% CaO, 10% MgO, 5% TiO2 and 5-15% iron. There will be no microorganisms, no parasites, no viruses, no higher organic poisons. there will be mostly sand-like stuff.
About the trace amounts of less cheerful stuff: Consider how much regolith will remain on your dropped sand(ha!)wich - One gram would be much even if you rolled it around in the stuff. Say 1/1000th of that is Chromium (it is not), and pretend all of that then proceeds to villainly oxidise into hexavalent Chromium (the deadly stuff) instead of trivalent Chromium (the vitally important stuff). LD50 for hexavalent Chromium is 50-150 mg/kg ... And you just now ingested .01 mg/kg (if you weigh 100kg). You are safe (but don't make a habit out of it!)
The sharp edges of the stuff will not be an issue either: very large shards of freshly broken glass pose a hazard to your digestive tract, but anything on the scale of 'stuff clinging to your sandwich' does not. If you bite off a shard off a glass of water (as children sometimes do) many emergency personnel will only intervene by making them eat some bread afterwards. It all gets buffered by the slime. http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2007/01/18/1828923.htm
Of course it's not Best Practices to eat stuff from the ground, but a little regolith won't hurt.
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
edited Mar 28 at 6:29
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
answered Mar 26 at 15:01
bukwyrmbukwyrm
4,087724
4,087724
6
$begingroup$
It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:18
1
$begingroup$
@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
$endgroup$
– bukwyrm
Mar 26 at 16:27
3
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:29
7
$begingroup$
You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
$endgroup$
– Zibbobz
Mar 26 at 16:29
2
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
$endgroup$
– Slarty
Mar 26 at 16:39
|
show 5 more comments
6
$begingroup$
It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:18
1
$begingroup$
@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
$endgroup$
– bukwyrm
Mar 26 at 16:27
3
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:29
7
$begingroup$
You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
$endgroup$
– Zibbobz
Mar 26 at 16:29
2
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
$endgroup$
– Slarty
Mar 26 at 16:39
6
6
$begingroup$
It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:18
$begingroup$
It is my understanding that one of the Apollo 17 (?) astronauts was accidently exposed to a small amount of regolith and developed a significant rash from it. If I can find a reference, I'll add it, but even if not, I would not be so blythe as to just assume it cannot be harmful.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:18
1
1
$begingroup$
@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
$endgroup$
– bukwyrm
Mar 26 at 16:27
$begingroup$
@PaulSinclair i listed the bulk ingredients. If you have a Zn allergy and/or get the stuff in your breeches you might have a bad time. Point is OP asked about dropped food, not snuffing it, eating bulk amounts, rubbing yourself with it or any other regolith based abuse. If you can point to a compound that is critical in the amounts ingested (ppm in bolus of 1 g) and probable to exist in Regolith, go ahead.
$endgroup$
– bukwyrm
Mar 26 at 16:27
3
3
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:29
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm - As I understand it (again, I'll have to do some searching to find the reference and confirm or deny my memory), the rash was not cause allergens or toxicity, but rather the skin irritation from the jagged dust.
$endgroup$
– Paul Sinclair
Mar 26 at 16:29
7
7
$begingroup$
You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
$endgroup$
– Zibbobz
Mar 26 at 16:29
$begingroup$
You'd have to have some pretty through cleaning methods for 'brushing it off' before eating that food. It's possible, but moon dust is difficult to get off of stuff. blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2018/03/02/lunar-dust
$endgroup$
– Zibbobz
Mar 26 at 16:29
2
2
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
$endgroup$
– Slarty
Mar 26 at 16:39
$begingroup$
@bukwyrm no you are right powdered glass does not appear to be as destructive as I thought. Hoever it does depend on the size of the particles fda.gov/downloads/Food/GuidanceRegulation/UCM252441.pdf
$endgroup$
– Slarty
Mar 26 at 16:39
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$begingroup$
It'll break your teeth. The moon is often very cold or very hot on the surface. The sandwich has potentially been flash-frozen or is now burnt depending on where it dropped.
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
$endgroup$
2
$begingroup$
IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
$endgroup$
– A C
Mar 26 at 20:20
$begingroup$
Also true. I'll update the answer.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 26 at 20:40
4
$begingroup$
How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
Mar 27 at 9:21
1
$begingroup$
When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
$endgroup$
– UKMonkey
Mar 27 at 15:59
1
$begingroup$
Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 27 at 17:52
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show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
It'll break your teeth. The moon is often very cold or very hot on the surface. The sandwich has potentially been flash-frozen or is now burnt depending on where it dropped.
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
$endgroup$
2
$begingroup$
IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
$endgroup$
– A C
Mar 26 at 20:20
$begingroup$
Also true. I'll update the answer.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 26 at 20:40
4
$begingroup$
How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
Mar 27 at 9:21
1
$begingroup$
When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
$endgroup$
– UKMonkey
Mar 27 at 15:59
1
$begingroup$
Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 27 at 17:52
|
show 1 more comment
$begingroup$
It'll break your teeth. The moon is often very cold or very hot on the surface. The sandwich has potentially been flash-frozen or is now burnt depending on where it dropped.
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
$endgroup$
It'll break your teeth. The moon is often very cold or very hot on the surface. The sandwich has potentially been flash-frozen or is now burnt depending on where it dropped.
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
edited Mar 26 at 20:40
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
answered Mar 26 at 20:18
liljoshuliljoshu
1,659311
1,659311
2
$begingroup$
IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
$endgroup$
– A C
Mar 26 at 20:20
$begingroup$
Also true. I'll update the answer.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 26 at 20:40
4
$begingroup$
How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
Mar 27 at 9:21
1
$begingroup$
When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
$endgroup$
– UKMonkey
Mar 27 at 15:59
1
$begingroup$
Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 27 at 17:52
|
show 1 more comment
2
$begingroup$
IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
$endgroup$
– A C
Mar 26 at 20:20
$begingroup$
Also true. I'll update the answer.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 26 at 20:40
4
$begingroup$
How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
Mar 27 at 9:21
1
$begingroup$
When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
$endgroup$
– UKMonkey
Mar 27 at 15:59
1
$begingroup$
Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 27 at 17:52
2
2
$begingroup$
IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
$endgroup$
– A C
Mar 26 at 20:20
$begingroup$
IIRC, day side gets to over 200° F. Might be more concerned about burning your tongue.
$endgroup$
– A C
Mar 26 at 20:20
$begingroup$
Also true. I'll update the answer.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 26 at 20:40
$begingroup$
Also true. I'll update the answer.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 26 at 20:40
4
4
$begingroup$
How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
Mar 27 at 9:21
$begingroup$
How much heat capacity is in lunar regolith? Without atmosphere, the ground is going to cool from the sandwich and stop burning it. And especially if it's loose material, it's not going to conduct well.
$endgroup$
– John Dvorak
Mar 27 at 9:21
1
1
$begingroup$
When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
$endgroup$
– UKMonkey
Mar 27 at 15:59
$begingroup$
When I drop food onto a rock, I pick up the food not the rock. The rock is unable to break my teeth. When I drop food onto sand, I pick up the food with a little sand. The food tastes horrible, but it still doesn't break my teeth. As for flash frozen, this all depends on exactly what the food is; you're assuming that it's got a high water content; would be eaten at earth rtp and you're in the dark on the moon - but even if that's the case people eat ice cream all the time without breaking their teeth.
$endgroup$
– UKMonkey
Mar 27 at 15:59
1
1
$begingroup$
Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 27 at 17:52
$begingroup$
Depends a lot on the scenario. Vacuum doesn't transmit heat, so it's going to be a lot closer to its last state. So we have a question of if you're inside a contained atmosphere somehow or not. Though, if you're outside any enclosure, dropping something into lunar regolith and immediately putting it on your tongue, you probably have a lot higher concerns than the food content... such as where did your helmet go, and where are you going to get your next breath. If you're in an enclosure, you're left with the question of why there's lunar regolith there and how it's getting indoors.
$endgroup$
– liljoshu
Mar 27 at 17:52
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