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Why does the freezing point matter when picking cooler ice packs?
The 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results Are In
Announcing the arrival of Valued Associate #679: Cesar Manara
Planned maintenance scheduled April 17/18, 2019 at 00:00UTC (8:00pm US/Eastern)What cools a drink?Do ice crystals grow only as heat is being removed or also when an item is at a set temperature?Does a cooler, submerged in water, keep beer colder, longer?Speedy Cooling - Ice based Cooler - Efficient WayWhy does hitting a cold bag of water freeze?Does an ice cube change its core temperature as it melts?What ice pack formula can hold the largest energy difference?Chardonnay, air versus waterWill an ice cream scoop with oil-filled handle cool down my coffee more effectively than without the oil?Why does ice cream get harder when colder?
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
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edited Apr 2 at 6:23
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
thermodynamics
edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
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asked Apr 1 at 17:33
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 17:50
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
Apr 2 at 1:15
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
Apr 2 at 6:59
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I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
thermodynamics
edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
63.9k23137253
asked Apr 1 at 17:33
tir38tir38
1264
$endgroup$
I'm looking at buying some ice packs for my cooler. Looking a specific brand they have several "models", each with a different freezing temperature. Why does this matter?
Let's say I have one pack that freezes at 5 °F (-15 °C) and another that freezes at 34 °F (1 °C). Let's also assume they are the same mass. Let's say I put both of these in my freezer that is at 0 °F (-18 °C) and leave them long enough that they both reach 0 °F (-18 °C). If I then put each of them in identical coolers, won't they have the same cooling capacity? One may cool faster than the other, but on a long enough timeline they'll both cool the cooler to the same temperature (assuming that the cooler is insulated enough that heat into the cooler is slower than heat into the ice pack.
thermodynamics
thermodynamics
edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
63.9k23137253
asked Apr 1 at 17:33
tir38tir38
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edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
63.9k23137253
asked Apr 1 at 17:33
tir38tir38
1264
edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
63.9k23137253
edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
63.9k23137253
edited Apr 2 at 6:23
David Z♦
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asked Apr 1 at 17:33
tir38tir38
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asked Apr 1 at 17:33
tir38tir38
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 17:50
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
Apr 2 at 1:15
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
Apr 2 at 6:59
add a comment |
1
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 17:50
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
Apr 2 at 1:15
2
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
Apr 2 at 6:59
1
1
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 17:50
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 17:50
$begingroup$
Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
$endgroup$
– Peter Mortensen
Apr 2 at 1:15
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
Apr 2 at 1:15
2
2
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
$endgroup$
– Kevin Krumwiede
Apr 2 at 6:59
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
Apr 2 at 6:59
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 18:02
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Both very good answers!
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– tir38
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
JMacJMac
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
JMacJMac
9,06321934
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$begingroup$
The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
JMacJMac
9,06321934
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The properties of the cooling material are quite important to how it will interact with its surroundings and exchange heat.
First, I'm going to address a misconception with the cooling capacity that you have brought up. Just because the two ice packs are brought to the same temperature, does not mean they will supply the same net cooling to the system. The thermal properties of the cooling packs are also very important.
For one, different substances will have a different heat capacity per unit mass (i.e. it takes more energy to cool 1 gram of water 1°C than it does to cool 1 gram of glass 1°C, all other factors equal). You also have to account for the latent heat of fusion, which is the amount of thermal energy required to melt the ice at the phase change.
Obviously this still doesn't explain why the melting point is important. That has to do with the latent heat of fusion, along with the desired behaviour of the ice pack. When the ice pack melts, it is taking more energy from the system without increasing temperature. This means that having the ice pack melt while keeping your cooler chilled is actually a relatively good thing, since it's extra heat capacity of the ice pack.
So for your examples of a 5°F melting point vs a 34°F melting point shows a good difference. If you wanted to keep the cooler below 34°F, you would want the ice pack that melts at 5°F, not at 34°F. That's because the ice pack that melts at 34°F is not able to take away the heat of fusion from the system, and only takes away heat due to the heat capacity. The heat of fusion represents a substantial amount of cooling capacity, so the melting temperature of your ice pack should be lower than your maximum acceptable temperature; if you want to get the most use out of the ice pack.
Other factors that might be important when selecting an ice pack are if you can have it frozen, or if you need a malleable gel bag to fit around whatever you are trying to cool. Sometimes efficiency takes a back seat to utility.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
JMacJMac
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
1
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
1
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 18:02
1
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Both very good answers!
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– tir38
Apr 1 at 18:13
add a comment |
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The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
3,65121123
$endgroup$
1
$begingroup$
Beat you by 4 seconds!
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
1
$begingroup$
@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
1
$begingroup$
If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 1 at 18:02
1
$begingroup$
Both very good answers!
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– tir38
Apr 1 at 18:13
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
3,65121123
$endgroup$
The freezing point is useful because while a substance is melting, its temperature doesn't change: the heat goes into causing the phase change from solid to liquid. The temperature won't rise until the substance has melted. So if you need the temperature in your cooler to stay at or below 5° F, then choose the pack rated at 5° F.
However, to choose a freezer pack I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion. That information lets you calculate how much heat in total that the freezer pack can absorb.
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
3,65121123
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
3,65121123
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
3,65121123
answered Apr 1 at 17:59
PM 2RingPM 2Ring
3,65121123
3,65121123
1
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
1
$begingroup$
@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
1
$begingroup$
If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 1 at 18:02
1
$begingroup$
Both very good answers!
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– tir38
Apr 1 at 18:13
add a comment |
1
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
1
$begingroup$
@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
1
$begingroup$
If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 1 at 18:02
1
$begingroup$
Both very good answers!
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– tir38
Apr 1 at 18:13
1
1
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
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Beat you by 4 seconds!
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 1 at 17:59
1
1
$begingroup$
@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
$endgroup$
– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
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@JMac Oh well. :) Adding links is a little painful on the phone...
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– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 18:01
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
Apr 1 at 18:02
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If I wrote my answer on the phone it would have looked a lot closer to yours. I get... carried away when it's easy to type.
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– JMac
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Both very good answers!
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– tir38
Apr 1 at 18:13
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Both very good answers!
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– tir38
Apr 1 at 18:13
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 12:21
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The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
2,9731624
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1
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
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– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
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That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 12:21
add a comment |
$begingroup$
The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
2,9731624
$endgroup$
The 5 °F ice pack is useful with products which must stay frozen, like ice cream.
The 34 °F ice pack keep the stuff cool but won't freeze it. This is useful for beverages and vegetables.
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
2,9731624
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
2,9731624
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
2,9731624
answered Apr 2 at 11:31
Dmitry GrigoryevDmitry Grigoryev
2,9731624
2,9731624
1
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The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
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@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
$endgroup$
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
$begingroup$
That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 12:21
add a comment |
1
$begingroup$
The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
$begingroup$
@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
$endgroup$
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
$begingroup$
That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 2 at 12:21
1
1
$begingroup$
The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
$begingroup$
The question was about ice packs both cooled to 0°F; just with melting/freezing points at those temperatures. Both ice packs would be able to freeze stored objects, but the capacities of freezing are different.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 2 at 11:56
$begingroup$
@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
$endgroup$
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
$begingroup$
@JMac Except the unlikely case where the stored objects were already close to freezing and the cooler has extremely low own heat capacity and losses, the 34 °F won't freeze the objects even if you initially cool it to 0 °F, except maybe the parts which are directly in contact with it.
$endgroup$
– Dmitry Grigoryev
Apr 2 at 12:18
$begingroup$
That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
$endgroup$
– JMac
Apr 2 at 12:21
$begingroup$
That depends pretty well entirely on the total heat capacity of the ice pack compared to what you are cooling. A 34°F ice pack can still freeze stuff.
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– JMac
Apr 2 at 12:21
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The freezing point is useful, but I'd also want to know the heat capacity and latent heat of fusion.
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– PM 2Ring
Apr 1 at 17:50
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Isn't 34 °F a typo? That temperature is above the freezing point of water at the common pressures.
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– Peter Mortensen
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@PeterMortensen Maybe not. A freezer pack that keeps water just above freezing while the pack is melting would actually be quite useful.
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– Kevin Krumwiede
Apr 2 at 6:59