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In my field of computer science it is not uncommon to see professors who, after many years at a highly ranked university, choose to take on a position at a lower ranked (though generally still good) university. I see this happen even if the professor does not get a promotion or endowed chair. What might incentivize a professor to do this?










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    This is a stupidly long list, really. It's basically the same list you get for "Why does anyone ever do anything?", the answers to which can be glibly summarized as "Because they feel like it."

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    have you asked them? If you are generally nice person, they might be more than willing to share their story. That is something people rarely get to talk about with their peers, IMHO. You can start with "Hi i wanna be in academia and not sure how to choose next step. Why did you move from X to Y"

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    A key term here is "choose". There is a whole other set of possible reasons why a professor might be forced out of their job at a high-ranking university, and take a job at a lower-ranking one instead.

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In my field of computer science it is not uncommon to see professors who, after many years at a highly ranked university, choose to take on a position at a lower ranked (though generally still good) university. I see this happen even if the professor does not get a promotion or endowed chair. What might incentivize a professor to do this?










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    This is a stupidly long list, really. It's basically the same list you get for "Why does anyone ever do anything?", the answers to which can be glibly summarized as "Because they feel like it."

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    have you asked them? If you are generally nice person, they might be more than willing to share their story. That is something people rarely get to talk about with their peers, IMHO. You can start with "Hi i wanna be in academia and not sure how to choose next step. Why did you move from X to Y"

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    A key term here is "choose". There is a whole other set of possible reasons why a professor might be forced out of their job at a high-ranking university, and take a job at a lower-ranking one instead.

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In my field of computer science it is not uncommon to see professors who, after many years at a highly ranked university, choose to take on a position at a lower ranked (though generally still good) university. I see this happen even if the professor does not get a promotion or endowed chair. What might incentivize a professor to do this?










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In my field of computer science it is not uncommon to see professors who, after many years at a highly ranked university, choose to take on a position at a lower ranked (though generally still good) university. I see this happen even if the professor does not get a promotion or endowed chair. What might incentivize a professor to do this?







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    This is a stupidly long list, really. It's basically the same list you get for "Why does anyone ever do anything?", the answers to which can be glibly summarized as "Because they feel like it."

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    have you asked them? If you are generally nice person, they might be more than willing to share their story. That is something people rarely get to talk about with their peers, IMHO. You can start with "Hi i wanna be in academia and not sure how to choose next step. Why did you move from X to Y"

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    A key term here is "choose". There is a whole other set of possible reasons why a professor might be forced out of their job at a high-ranking university, and take a job at a lower-ranking one instead.

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    This is a stupidly long list, really. It's basically the same list you get for "Why does anyone ever do anything?", the answers to which can be glibly summarized as "Because they feel like it."

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    have you asked them? If you are generally nice person, they might be more than willing to share their story. That is something people rarely get to talk about with their peers, IMHO. You can start with "Hi i wanna be in academia and not sure how to choose next step. Why did you move from X to Y"

    – aaaaaa
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    A key term here is "choose". There is a whole other set of possible reasons why a professor might be forced out of their job at a high-ranking university, and take a job at a lower-ranking one instead.

    – Nate Eldredge
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This is a stupidly long list, really. It's basically the same list you get for "Why does anyone ever do anything?", the answers to which can be glibly summarized as "Because they feel like it."

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This is a stupidly long list, really. It's basically the same list you get for "Why does anyone ever do anything?", the answers to which can be glibly summarized as "Because they feel like it."

– zibadawa timmy
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@zibadawatimmy: I don't think it's a "stupidly long list".

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@zibadawatimmy: I don't think it's a "stupidly long list".

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have you asked them? If you are generally nice person, they might be more than willing to share their story. That is something people rarely get to talk about with their peers, IMHO. You can start with "Hi i wanna be in academia and not sure how to choose next step. Why did you move from X to Y"

– aaaaaa
Apr 5 at 19:45





have you asked them? If you are generally nice person, they might be more than willing to share their story. That is something people rarely get to talk about with their peers, IMHO. You can start with "Hi i wanna be in academia and not sure how to choose next step. Why did you move from X to Y"

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A key term here is "choose". There is a whole other set of possible reasons why a professor might be forced out of their job at a high-ranking university, and take a job at a lower-ranking one instead.

– Nate Eldredge
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A key term here is "choose". There is a whole other set of possible reasons why a professor might be forced out of their job at a high-ranking university, and take a job at a lower-ranking one instead.

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The most important reasons I can think of are private reasons. People do not live to work, but work to live.



What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if your family/your friends can not live there or are unhappy to live there?
What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if it is in a place you find boring or don’t like?



I would suggest you to change your mindset from highly ranked university to high quality of life (which is subjective and also includes a little bit the rank of the university, if you value this).






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    “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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  • True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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Adding to the family and personal reasons mentioned, I would like to point out some professional reasons as well;



  • High rank universities tend to be bigger, which means they might be busier, impersonal and more stressful.


  • A smaller university, (probably of a lower rank), would have a smaller load of students which means the relationship and interaction between professor and students is more direct, more personal and surely fore some, more fun.


  • Being part of a lower rank institution can be a challenge for the professor to add significant value to it and try to improve its reputation.


  • And finally yes, there can be tons of other reason such as contributing to a particular local community, living in a smaller and more quiet town, more nature closeby etc. etc.






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    Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

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    A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

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    Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

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    Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

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The question seems to imply that university ranking is the most important component or aspect of a university career. I think many would disagree with that. In fact, there isn't any single feature of academia that is of primary concern to everyone. You can't in general list the various positive and negative aspects of academia on a linear scale that works for anyone but yourself.



Sadly, a lot of questions here seem to make the same sort of assumption. Students want to go to the top university in their country, when it might be better just to want an excellent education.



However, such things as the ranking of a university come with both good and bad aspects. You can brag to your mom, of course, that you are teaching at Harvard or Cambridge. But your life will be pretty hectic and there will be quite a few things that you are expected to do that may not appeal to you. The ranking, of course, is there because everyone is working very hard all the time and take few personal breaks with pressure all the time to do even more. The rankings don't just happen.



So, the title of the question is a bit off. There is no "typical" here, other than perhaps that people desire a change of some sort. But what sort of change is a personal thing. Some want to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Some want to take on admin responsibilities not open to them where they are. Some want to move to Montana because of the fishing. Or maybe to Florida.



Your academic career will be a mix of things. Some good and some not so good. If the good outweighs the bad you will probably stick with it. Unless you get a desire for a change.






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  • At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

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    The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

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    @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

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It may not be the only driving factor, but I am surprised to see a lack of people mentioning that just because they are going to a lower ranking university doesn't mean they are being paid less.



I would be willing to be a reasonable percentage of professors moving institutions have been offered a better salary. It is quite common across all career paths these days that in order to get the best salary you need to change employers.



Particularly if you have been working at one institution for a long time the raises you receive may not be inline with the actual increase in your value due to your experience.






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    Malo hic esse primus quam Romae secundus



    "Better to be first here than second in Rome." Julius C. Caesar (according to Plutarch).



    In many way, prestige, influence, freedom to choose research lines and implementation times, workload level, collaborators, quality of life, sunshine hours per year ...






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      The answers about personal reasons are excellent and worth a read.



      But also remember that metrics are never neutral: any ranking system inherently makes choices about what is important in order to turn a school into a single aggregate number.



      Many rankings prioritize things like funding, selectivity rates, peer evaluations, publicity, etc. Some professors may have different weightings, such as:



      • Teaching over research (not everyone becomes a professor to write grants!)

      • Access to specific collaborators within their subfield (lower ranked school, but strong in one specific area)

      • Joint appointments with nearby facilities (national labs, industry collaborators, etc) that boost the attractiveness of the offer

      • A desire to support certain student populations that are, uh, not well represented at some big programs

      • Ability to find a good job in the same area as their spouse (who may or may not be in the same field, much less work at a university at all)

      • Specific terms of the offer that their original host is unwilling or unable to match (more space, director of a new program, etc)

      There is an old census joke that "the average family has 1.9 children, but all the families we checked only had whole integers". Faculty are the same way: the average "best" ranking is not a good way to describe an individual.






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        Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

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      Among the academics I've known who have done that, the most common reason is that they are going from a university that is good all-round to one which is doing interesting work in their particular sub-field of interest even if it is lousy in everything else.



      Those who like teaching also tend to like smaller cohorts, because they can be personally involved. Apart from the really top-end sandstone institutions, the higher ranked universities tend to have rather low academic staff-student ratios and education can become an afterthought. The smaller universities also tend to end up with more senior staff actively involved in research, which is generally considered a lot more fun than administration.



      I also know one who switched because he was in love with a postdoc at that lower-ranked uni.



      Aside from that, wages matter, and not just headline cash sums. A nicer town/city or a lower cost of living, better opportunities for one's spouse, and so on can all make somewhere else more attractive.






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        Here is an example of a black mathematician who was a full professor at Purdue, but he recently left for Pomona because he felt racially isolated and excluded.






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          Turn the question around: what are the benefits of the highly-ranked school? Maybe those don't apply (anymore).



          For example, ease of gaining grant money and attracting good graduate students. But if a professor has had a reasonably long and successful career, they may be able to do these things from anywhere.



          A second point is that professors often care more about colleagues in their research area than overall prestige and ranking.






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            Adding to the other answers here: It might very well be that a professor does not give any value to such rankings, maybe because they know on what data the ranking is based on. From my time as a student representative in Germany (Fachschaftsrat/Fakultätsrat), I remember rankings where the data for some universities consisted of around 10 survey returns...



            Therefore, they might base their decision on personal reasons, on the faculty-to-student ratio, on the staffing and research facilities they are offered or maybe even on an upcoming research project. Or maybe they want to conclude their career on a chair at the same university they currently are at -- at least here in Germany, climbing the professoral career ladder is harder if you don't switch to another university (in my universities' senate, which I was part of for a while, such "Hausbewerbungen" (applications from researchers of the same university) warrant a very sceptical look onto the candidate list).






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              Yet another possible reason: they might have been head-hunted.



              A somewhat singular example of this, dating back to 1964, before the quantified ranking of universities emerged, was at the nascent University of Warwick. Had universities been ranked then, Warwick—as a complete unknown—would have been assigned a pretty poor score. [Sir] Christopher Zeeman, charged with setting up Warwick's mathematics department, invited six distinguished researchers to fill the initial positions, the lure for each being that the other five (plus Zeeman) would be there. The bluff worked, and the department went on to be a cornerstone of what is now a highly ranked university.






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                I think an observation I made while applying to both high and low ranked universities could go a little way to explain this phenomenon; I have found that low ranked universities treat students and staff very well in order to encourage good academics and students to remain there and Improve the uni’s ranking. While high ranked unis don’t have to try so hard as there is always a surplus of student and quality staff applications.






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                  The most important reasons I can think of are private reasons. People do not live to work, but work to live.



                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if your family/your friends can not live there or are unhappy to live there?
                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if it is in a place you find boring or don’t like?



                  I would suggest you to change your mindset from highly ranked university to high quality of life (which is subjective and also includes a little bit the rank of the university, if you value this).






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                    “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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                  • True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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                  The most important reasons I can think of are private reasons. People do not live to work, but work to live.



                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if your family/your friends can not live there or are unhappy to live there?
                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if it is in a place you find boring or don’t like?



                  I would suggest you to change your mindset from highly ranked university to high quality of life (which is subjective and also includes a little bit the rank of the university, if you value this).






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                    “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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                  • True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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                  The most important reasons I can think of are private reasons. People do not live to work, but work to live.



                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if your family/your friends can not live there or are unhappy to live there?
                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if it is in a place you find boring or don’t like?



                  I would suggest you to change your mindset from highly ranked university to high quality of life (which is subjective and also includes a little bit the rank of the university, if you value this).






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                  The most important reasons I can think of are private reasons. People do not live to work, but work to live.



                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if your family/your friends can not live there or are unhappy to live there?
                  What good does a job at a highly ranked university do, if it is in a place you find boring or don’t like?



                  I would suggest you to change your mindset from highly ranked university to high quality of life (which is subjective and also includes a little bit the rank of the university, if you value this).







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                    “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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                  • True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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                    “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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                  • True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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                  “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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                  “People do not live to work, but work to live” – I would say that's not always true at all. Especially for scientists, work is often a huge part, perhaps the most important, of life quality. They certainly don't do it only to earn money for affording their private life.

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                  True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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                  True, but work can also be weighed down by rank, for example at the new place they might get someone to help with grants, they might not have to have to attend as many conferences or the new department administration might be more lenient when it comes to research freedom.

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                  "People do not live to work, but work to live." Are you sure academics know this? /s

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                  "People do not live to work, but work to live." Are you sure academics know this? /s

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                  Adding to the family and personal reasons mentioned, I would like to point out some professional reasons as well;



                  • High rank universities tend to be bigger, which means they might be busier, impersonal and more stressful.


                  • A smaller university, (probably of a lower rank), would have a smaller load of students which means the relationship and interaction between professor and students is more direct, more personal and surely fore some, more fun.


                  • Being part of a lower rank institution can be a challenge for the professor to add significant value to it and try to improve its reputation.


                  • And finally yes, there can be tons of other reason such as contributing to a particular local community, living in a smaller and more quiet town, more nature closeby etc. etc.






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                    Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

                    – anjama
                    Apr 5 at 10:50












                  • @anjama: or they end up not being good at teaching or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a research only position elsewhere.

                    – Ingo
                    Apr 5 at 12:17






                  • 3





                    A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

                    – ElectronicToothpick
                    Apr 5 at 12:42






                  • 6





                    Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

                    – Kimball
                    Apr 5 at 14:39






                  • 2





                    Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

                    – Nelson
                    Apr 8 at 9:52















                  50














                  Adding to the family and personal reasons mentioned, I would like to point out some professional reasons as well;



                  • High rank universities tend to be bigger, which means they might be busier, impersonal and more stressful.


                  • A smaller university, (probably of a lower rank), would have a smaller load of students which means the relationship and interaction between professor and students is more direct, more personal and surely fore some, more fun.


                  • Being part of a lower rank institution can be a challenge for the professor to add significant value to it and try to improve its reputation.


                  • And finally yes, there can be tons of other reason such as contributing to a particular local community, living in a smaller and more quiet town, more nature closeby etc. etc.






                  share|improve this answer




















                  • 3





                    Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

                    – anjama
                    Apr 5 at 10:50












                  • @anjama: or they end up not being good at teaching or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a research only position elsewhere.

                    – Ingo
                    Apr 5 at 12:17






                  • 3





                    A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

                    – ElectronicToothpick
                    Apr 5 at 12:42






                  • 6





                    Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

                    – Kimball
                    Apr 5 at 14:39






                  • 2





                    Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

                    – Nelson
                    Apr 8 at 9:52













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                  50







                  Adding to the family and personal reasons mentioned, I would like to point out some professional reasons as well;



                  • High rank universities tend to be bigger, which means they might be busier, impersonal and more stressful.


                  • A smaller university, (probably of a lower rank), would have a smaller load of students which means the relationship and interaction between professor and students is more direct, more personal and surely fore some, more fun.


                  • Being part of a lower rank institution can be a challenge for the professor to add significant value to it and try to improve its reputation.


                  • And finally yes, there can be tons of other reason such as contributing to a particular local community, living in a smaller and more quiet town, more nature closeby etc. etc.






                  share|improve this answer















                  Adding to the family and personal reasons mentioned, I would like to point out some professional reasons as well;



                  • High rank universities tend to be bigger, which means they might be busier, impersonal and more stressful.


                  • A smaller university, (probably of a lower rank), would have a smaller load of students which means the relationship and interaction between professor and students is more direct, more personal and surely fore some, more fun.


                  • Being part of a lower rank institution can be a challenge for the professor to add significant value to it and try to improve its reputation.


                  • And finally yes, there can be tons of other reason such as contributing to a particular local community, living in a smaller and more quiet town, more nature closeby etc. etc.







                  share|improve this answer














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                    Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

                    – anjama
                    Apr 5 at 10:50












                  • @anjama: or they end up not being good at teaching or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a research only position elsewhere.

                    – Ingo
                    Apr 5 at 12:17






                  • 3





                    A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

                    – ElectronicToothpick
                    Apr 5 at 12:42






                  • 6





                    Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

                    – Kimball
                    Apr 5 at 14:39






                  • 2





                    Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

                    – Nelson
                    Apr 8 at 9:52












                  • 3





                    Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

                    – anjama
                    Apr 5 at 10:50












                  • @anjama: or they end up not being good at teaching or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a research only position elsewhere.

                    – Ingo
                    Apr 5 at 12:17






                  • 3





                    A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

                    – ElectronicToothpick
                    Apr 5 at 12:42






                  • 6





                    Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

                    – Kimball
                    Apr 5 at 14:39






                  • 2





                    Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

                    – Nelson
                    Apr 8 at 9:52







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                  3





                  Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

                  – anjama
                  Apr 5 at 10:50






                  Other professional reasons: Some people might end up not being good at research or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a teaching only position elsewhere. Also, sometimes people are given the choice to resign when facing legal issues (such as sexual harassment accusations) at their university, forcing them to find work elsewhere. Other major universities will recognize something is wrong and avoid the person, whereas smaller teaching schools might be more open to hiring the person

                  – anjama
                  Apr 5 at 10:50














                  @anjama: or they end up not being good at teaching or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a research only position elsewhere.

                  – Ingo
                  Apr 5 at 12:17





                  @anjama: or they end up not being good at teaching or finding they don't enjoy it, so decide, or are forced, to find a research only position elsewhere.

                  – Ingo
                  Apr 5 at 12:17




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                  A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

                  – ElectronicToothpick
                  Apr 5 at 12:42





                  A professional reason to go to a lower ranked university could also be that there might be less pressure and a more easy-going environment when it comes to producing research results.

                  – ElectronicToothpick
                  Apr 5 at 12:42




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                  6





                  Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

                  – Kimball
                  Apr 5 at 14:39





                  Also, many times one moves to a lower ranked university it is to get a higher ranked position, e.g., for promotion or a chair/dean/etc. position. The case of promotion is particularly common in certain countries, though I believe not so common in the US.

                  – Kimball
                  Apr 5 at 14:39




                  2




                  2





                  Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

                  – Nelson
                  Apr 8 at 9:52





                  Another one. Higher ranked universities can attract students that almost no professors would want. The ones that got in because of $$$, but otherwise should not be there. I've spoke with enough professors to know that these students are a nightmare to deal with.

                  – Nelson
                  Apr 8 at 9:52











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                  The question seems to imply that university ranking is the most important component or aspect of a university career. I think many would disagree with that. In fact, there isn't any single feature of academia that is of primary concern to everyone. You can't in general list the various positive and negative aspects of academia on a linear scale that works for anyone but yourself.



                  Sadly, a lot of questions here seem to make the same sort of assumption. Students want to go to the top university in their country, when it might be better just to want an excellent education.



                  However, such things as the ranking of a university come with both good and bad aspects. You can brag to your mom, of course, that you are teaching at Harvard or Cambridge. But your life will be pretty hectic and there will be quite a few things that you are expected to do that may not appeal to you. The ranking, of course, is there because everyone is working very hard all the time and take few personal breaks with pressure all the time to do even more. The rankings don't just happen.



                  So, the title of the question is a bit off. There is no "typical" here, other than perhaps that people desire a change of some sort. But what sort of change is a personal thing. Some want to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Some want to take on admin responsibilities not open to them where they are. Some want to move to Montana because of the fishing. Or maybe to Florida.



                  Your academic career will be a mix of things. Some good and some not so good. If the good outweighs the bad you will probably stick with it. Unless you get a desire for a change.






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                  • At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

                    – Wolfgang Bangerth
                    Apr 5 at 15:45











                  • @Buffy I am almost 25. I read you answer and wondering. Is it possible to have good research even staying in low ranked university. From your answer answer seems yes. Please clarify.

                    – staff
                    Apr 6 at 15:32






                  • 2





                    The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

                    – Buffy
                    Apr 6 at 19:12






                  • 1





                    @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

                    – Prof. Santa Claus
                    Apr 8 at 2:41















                  31














                  The question seems to imply that university ranking is the most important component or aspect of a university career. I think many would disagree with that. In fact, there isn't any single feature of academia that is of primary concern to everyone. You can't in general list the various positive and negative aspects of academia on a linear scale that works for anyone but yourself.



                  Sadly, a lot of questions here seem to make the same sort of assumption. Students want to go to the top university in their country, when it might be better just to want an excellent education.



                  However, such things as the ranking of a university come with both good and bad aspects. You can brag to your mom, of course, that you are teaching at Harvard or Cambridge. But your life will be pretty hectic and there will be quite a few things that you are expected to do that may not appeal to you. The ranking, of course, is there because everyone is working very hard all the time and take few personal breaks with pressure all the time to do even more. The rankings don't just happen.



                  So, the title of the question is a bit off. There is no "typical" here, other than perhaps that people desire a change of some sort. But what sort of change is a personal thing. Some want to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Some want to take on admin responsibilities not open to them where they are. Some want to move to Montana because of the fishing. Or maybe to Florida.



                  Your academic career will be a mix of things. Some good and some not so good. If the good outweighs the bad you will probably stick with it. Unless you get a desire for a change.






                  share|improve this answer























                  • At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

                    – Wolfgang Bangerth
                    Apr 5 at 15:45











                  • @Buffy I am almost 25. I read you answer and wondering. Is it possible to have good research even staying in low ranked university. From your answer answer seems yes. Please clarify.

                    – staff
                    Apr 6 at 15:32






                  • 2





                    The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

                    – Buffy
                    Apr 6 at 19:12






                  • 1





                    @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

                    – Prof. Santa Claus
                    Apr 8 at 2:41













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                  31







                  The question seems to imply that university ranking is the most important component or aspect of a university career. I think many would disagree with that. In fact, there isn't any single feature of academia that is of primary concern to everyone. You can't in general list the various positive and negative aspects of academia on a linear scale that works for anyone but yourself.



                  Sadly, a lot of questions here seem to make the same sort of assumption. Students want to go to the top university in their country, when it might be better just to want an excellent education.



                  However, such things as the ranking of a university come with both good and bad aspects. You can brag to your mom, of course, that you are teaching at Harvard or Cambridge. But your life will be pretty hectic and there will be quite a few things that you are expected to do that may not appeal to you. The ranking, of course, is there because everyone is working very hard all the time and take few personal breaks with pressure all the time to do even more. The rankings don't just happen.



                  So, the title of the question is a bit off. There is no "typical" here, other than perhaps that people desire a change of some sort. But what sort of change is a personal thing. Some want to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Some want to take on admin responsibilities not open to them where they are. Some want to move to Montana because of the fishing. Or maybe to Florida.



                  Your academic career will be a mix of things. Some good and some not so good. If the good outweighs the bad you will probably stick with it. Unless you get a desire for a change.






                  share|improve this answer













                  The question seems to imply that university ranking is the most important component or aspect of a university career. I think many would disagree with that. In fact, there isn't any single feature of academia that is of primary concern to everyone. You can't in general list the various positive and negative aspects of academia on a linear scale that works for anyone but yourself.



                  Sadly, a lot of questions here seem to make the same sort of assumption. Students want to go to the top university in their country, when it might be better just to want an excellent education.



                  However, such things as the ranking of a university come with both good and bad aspects. You can brag to your mom, of course, that you are teaching at Harvard or Cambridge. But your life will be pretty hectic and there will be quite a few things that you are expected to do that may not appeal to you. The ranking, of course, is there because everyone is working very hard all the time and take few personal breaks with pressure all the time to do even more. The rankings don't just happen.



                  So, the title of the question is a bit off. There is no "typical" here, other than perhaps that people desire a change of some sort. But what sort of change is a personal thing. Some want to be a bigger fish in a smaller pond. Some want to take on admin responsibilities not open to them where they are. Some want to move to Montana because of the fishing. Or maybe to Florida.



                  Your academic career will be a mix of things. Some good and some not so good. If the good outweighs the bad you will probably stick with it. Unless you get a desire for a change.







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                  • At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

                    – Wolfgang Bangerth
                    Apr 5 at 15:45











                  • @Buffy I am almost 25. I read you answer and wondering. Is it possible to have good research even staying in low ranked university. From your answer answer seems yes. Please clarify.

                    – staff
                    Apr 6 at 15:32






                  • 2





                    The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

                    – Buffy
                    Apr 6 at 19:12






                  • 1





                    @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

                    – Prof. Santa Claus
                    Apr 8 at 2:41

















                  • At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

                    – Wolfgang Bangerth
                    Apr 5 at 15:45











                  • @Buffy I am almost 25. I read you answer and wondering. Is it possible to have good research even staying in low ranked university. From your answer answer seems yes. Please clarify.

                    – staff
                    Apr 6 at 15:32






                  • 2





                    The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

                    – Buffy
                    Apr 6 at 19:12






                  • 1





                    @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

                    – Prof. Santa Claus
                    Apr 8 at 2:41
















                  At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

                  – Wolfgang Bangerth
                  Apr 5 at 15:45





                  At least for me, it took time to understand that there are other things in life than working at a great university. I suspect that your second paragraph simply reflects that when one is 25, one hasn't fully understood what life is about.

                  – Wolfgang Bangerth
                  Apr 5 at 15:45













                  @Buffy I am almost 25. I read you answer and wondering. Is it possible to have good research even staying in low ranked university. From your answer answer seems yes. Please clarify.

                  – staff
                  Apr 6 at 15:32





                  @Buffy I am almost 25. I read you answer and wondering. Is it possible to have good research even staying in low ranked university. From your answer answer seems yes. Please clarify.

                  – staff
                  Apr 6 at 15:32




                  2




                  2





                  The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

                  – Buffy
                  Apr 6 at 19:12





                  The quality of your research is up to you, but also influenced by the people you are able to collaborate with. I think the size of the university, rather than its ranking may have more influence. At a big place you work with a lot of people. Harder, but not impossible, at a small place.

                  – Buffy
                  Apr 6 at 19:12




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                  @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

                  – Prof. Santa Claus
                  Apr 8 at 2:41





                  @staff it is possible. For example, you may have connections to research groups in high ranking universities. In my opinion, quality is up to you. What is different is the volume -- this could mean more quality outputs or poor quality outputs if you cannot produce at that level.

                  – Prof. Santa Claus
                  Apr 8 at 2:41











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                  Money



                  It may not be the only driving factor, but I am surprised to see a lack of people mentioning that just because they are going to a lower ranking university doesn't mean they are being paid less.



                  I would be willing to be a reasonable percentage of professors moving institutions have been offered a better salary. It is quite common across all career paths these days that in order to get the best salary you need to change employers.



                  Particularly if you have been working at one institution for a long time the raises you receive may not be inline with the actual increase in your value due to your experience.






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                    Money



                    It may not be the only driving factor, but I am surprised to see a lack of people mentioning that just because they are going to a lower ranking university doesn't mean they are being paid less.



                    I would be willing to be a reasonable percentage of professors moving institutions have been offered a better salary. It is quite common across all career paths these days that in order to get the best salary you need to change employers.



                    Particularly if you have been working at one institution for a long time the raises you receive may not be inline with the actual increase in your value due to your experience.






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                      Money



                      It may not be the only driving factor, but I am surprised to see a lack of people mentioning that just because they are going to a lower ranking university doesn't mean they are being paid less.



                      I would be willing to be a reasonable percentage of professors moving institutions have been offered a better salary. It is quite common across all career paths these days that in order to get the best salary you need to change employers.



                      Particularly if you have been working at one institution for a long time the raises you receive may not be inline with the actual increase in your value due to your experience.






                      share|improve this answer













                      Money



                      It may not be the only driving factor, but I am surprised to see a lack of people mentioning that just because they are going to a lower ranking university doesn't mean they are being paid less.



                      I would be willing to be a reasonable percentage of professors moving institutions have been offered a better salary. It is quite common across all career paths these days that in order to get the best salary you need to change employers.



                      Particularly if you have been working at one institution for a long time the raises you receive may not be inline with the actual increase in your value due to your experience.







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                          Malo hic esse primus quam Romae secundus



                          "Better to be first here than second in Rome." Julius C. Caesar (according to Plutarch).



                          In many way, prestige, influence, freedom to choose research lines and implementation times, workload level, collaborators, quality of life, sunshine hours per year ...






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                            Malo hic esse primus quam Romae secundus



                            "Better to be first here than second in Rome." Julius C. Caesar (according to Plutarch).



                            In many way, prestige, influence, freedom to choose research lines and implementation times, workload level, collaborators, quality of life, sunshine hours per year ...






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                              Malo hic esse primus quam Romae secundus



                              "Better to be first here than second in Rome." Julius C. Caesar (according to Plutarch).



                              In many way, prestige, influence, freedom to choose research lines and implementation times, workload level, collaborators, quality of life, sunshine hours per year ...






                              share|improve this answer















                              Malo hic esse primus quam Romae secundus



                              "Better to be first here than second in Rome." Julius C. Caesar (according to Plutarch).



                              In many way, prestige, influence, freedom to choose research lines and implementation times, workload level, collaborators, quality of life, sunshine hours per year ...







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                                  The answers about personal reasons are excellent and worth a read.



                                  But also remember that metrics are never neutral: any ranking system inherently makes choices about what is important in order to turn a school into a single aggregate number.



                                  Many rankings prioritize things like funding, selectivity rates, peer evaluations, publicity, etc. Some professors may have different weightings, such as:



                                  • Teaching over research (not everyone becomes a professor to write grants!)

                                  • Access to specific collaborators within their subfield (lower ranked school, but strong in one specific area)

                                  • Joint appointments with nearby facilities (national labs, industry collaborators, etc) that boost the attractiveness of the offer

                                  • A desire to support certain student populations that are, uh, not well represented at some big programs

                                  • Ability to find a good job in the same area as their spouse (who may or may not be in the same field, much less work at a university at all)

                                  • Specific terms of the offer that their original host is unwilling or unable to match (more space, director of a new program, etc)

                                  There is an old census joke that "the average family has 1.9 children, but all the families we checked only had whole integers". Faculty are the same way: the average "best" ranking is not a good way to describe an individual.






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                                    Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

                                    – Ellen Spertus
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                                  The answers about personal reasons are excellent and worth a read.



                                  But also remember that metrics are never neutral: any ranking system inherently makes choices about what is important in order to turn a school into a single aggregate number.



                                  Many rankings prioritize things like funding, selectivity rates, peer evaluations, publicity, etc. Some professors may have different weightings, such as:



                                  • Teaching over research (not everyone becomes a professor to write grants!)

                                  • Access to specific collaborators within their subfield (lower ranked school, but strong in one specific area)

                                  • Joint appointments with nearby facilities (national labs, industry collaborators, etc) that boost the attractiveness of the offer

                                  • A desire to support certain student populations that are, uh, not well represented at some big programs

                                  • Ability to find a good job in the same area as their spouse (who may or may not be in the same field, much less work at a university at all)

                                  • Specific terms of the offer that their original host is unwilling or unable to match (more space, director of a new program, etc)

                                  There is an old census joke that "the average family has 1.9 children, but all the families we checked only had whole integers". Faculty are the same way: the average "best" ranking is not a good way to describe an individual.






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                                    Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

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                                  The answers about personal reasons are excellent and worth a read.



                                  But also remember that metrics are never neutral: any ranking system inherently makes choices about what is important in order to turn a school into a single aggregate number.



                                  Many rankings prioritize things like funding, selectivity rates, peer evaluations, publicity, etc. Some professors may have different weightings, such as:



                                  • Teaching over research (not everyone becomes a professor to write grants!)

                                  • Access to specific collaborators within their subfield (lower ranked school, but strong in one specific area)

                                  • Joint appointments with nearby facilities (national labs, industry collaborators, etc) that boost the attractiveness of the offer

                                  • A desire to support certain student populations that are, uh, not well represented at some big programs

                                  • Ability to find a good job in the same area as their spouse (who may or may not be in the same field, much less work at a university at all)

                                  • Specific terms of the offer that their original host is unwilling or unable to match (more space, director of a new program, etc)

                                  There is an old census joke that "the average family has 1.9 children, but all the families we checked only had whole integers". Faculty are the same way: the average "best" ranking is not a good way to describe an individual.






                                  share|improve this answer













                                  The answers about personal reasons are excellent and worth a read.



                                  But also remember that metrics are never neutral: any ranking system inherently makes choices about what is important in order to turn a school into a single aggregate number.



                                  Many rankings prioritize things like funding, selectivity rates, peer evaluations, publicity, etc. Some professors may have different weightings, such as:



                                  • Teaching over research (not everyone becomes a professor to write grants!)

                                  • Access to specific collaborators within their subfield (lower ranked school, but strong in one specific area)

                                  • Joint appointments with nearby facilities (national labs, industry collaborators, etc) that boost the attractiveness of the offer

                                  • A desire to support certain student populations that are, uh, not well represented at some big programs

                                  • Ability to find a good job in the same area as their spouse (who may or may not be in the same field, much less work at a university at all)

                                  • Specific terms of the offer that their original host is unwilling or unable to match (more space, director of a new program, etc)

                                  There is an old census joke that "the average family has 1.9 children, but all the families we checked only had whole integers". Faculty are the same way: the average "best" ranking is not a good way to describe an individual.







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                                    Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

                                    – Ellen Spertus
                                    Apr 8 at 6:27












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                                    Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

                                    – Ellen Spertus
                                    Apr 8 at 6:27







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                                  Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

                                  – Ellen Spertus
                                  Apr 8 at 6:27





                                  Absolutely! I love being a professor at a minority-serving women's college. How many other CS professors have mostly female students and colleagues? My work is aligned with my values and it's great to see the difference I make.

                                  – Ellen Spertus
                                  Apr 8 at 6:27











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                                  Among the academics I've known who have done that, the most common reason is that they are going from a university that is good all-round to one which is doing interesting work in their particular sub-field of interest even if it is lousy in everything else.



                                  Those who like teaching also tend to like smaller cohorts, because they can be personally involved. Apart from the really top-end sandstone institutions, the higher ranked universities tend to have rather low academic staff-student ratios and education can become an afterthought. The smaller universities also tend to end up with more senior staff actively involved in research, which is generally considered a lot more fun than administration.



                                  I also know one who switched because he was in love with a postdoc at that lower-ranked uni.



                                  Aside from that, wages matter, and not just headline cash sums. A nicer town/city or a lower cost of living, better opportunities for one's spouse, and so on can all make somewhere else more attractive.






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                                    Among the academics I've known who have done that, the most common reason is that they are going from a university that is good all-round to one which is doing interesting work in their particular sub-field of interest even if it is lousy in everything else.



                                    Those who like teaching also tend to like smaller cohorts, because they can be personally involved. Apart from the really top-end sandstone institutions, the higher ranked universities tend to have rather low academic staff-student ratios and education can become an afterthought. The smaller universities also tend to end up with more senior staff actively involved in research, which is generally considered a lot more fun than administration.



                                    I also know one who switched because he was in love with a postdoc at that lower-ranked uni.



                                    Aside from that, wages matter, and not just headline cash sums. A nicer town/city or a lower cost of living, better opportunities for one's spouse, and so on can all make somewhere else more attractive.






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                                      Among the academics I've known who have done that, the most common reason is that they are going from a university that is good all-round to one which is doing interesting work in their particular sub-field of interest even if it is lousy in everything else.



                                      Those who like teaching also tend to like smaller cohorts, because they can be personally involved. Apart from the really top-end sandstone institutions, the higher ranked universities tend to have rather low academic staff-student ratios and education can become an afterthought. The smaller universities also tend to end up with more senior staff actively involved in research, which is generally considered a lot more fun than administration.



                                      I also know one who switched because he was in love with a postdoc at that lower-ranked uni.



                                      Aside from that, wages matter, and not just headline cash sums. A nicer town/city or a lower cost of living, better opportunities for one's spouse, and so on can all make somewhere else more attractive.






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                                      Among the academics I've known who have done that, the most common reason is that they are going from a university that is good all-round to one which is doing interesting work in their particular sub-field of interest even if it is lousy in everything else.



                                      Those who like teaching also tend to like smaller cohorts, because they can be personally involved. Apart from the really top-end sandstone institutions, the higher ranked universities tend to have rather low academic staff-student ratios and education can become an afterthought. The smaller universities also tend to end up with more senior staff actively involved in research, which is generally considered a lot more fun than administration.



                                      I also know one who switched because he was in love with a postdoc at that lower-ranked uni.



                                      Aside from that, wages matter, and not just headline cash sums. A nicer town/city or a lower cost of living, better opportunities for one's spouse, and so on can all make somewhere else more attractive.







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                                          Here is an example of a black mathematician who was a full professor at Purdue, but he recently left for Pomona because he felt racially isolated and excluded.






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                                            Here is an example of a black mathematician who was a full professor at Purdue, but he recently left for Pomona because he felt racially isolated and excluded.






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                                              Here is an example of a black mathematician who was a full professor at Purdue, but he recently left for Pomona because he felt racially isolated and excluded.






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                                              Here is an example of a black mathematician who was a full professor at Purdue, but he recently left for Pomona because he felt racially isolated and excluded.







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                                                  Turn the question around: what are the benefits of the highly-ranked school? Maybe those don't apply (anymore).



                                                  For example, ease of gaining grant money and attracting good graduate students. But if a professor has had a reasonably long and successful career, they may be able to do these things from anywhere.



                                                  A second point is that professors often care more about colleagues in their research area than overall prestige and ranking.






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                                                    Turn the question around: what are the benefits of the highly-ranked school? Maybe those don't apply (anymore).



                                                    For example, ease of gaining grant money and attracting good graduate students. But if a professor has had a reasonably long and successful career, they may be able to do these things from anywhere.



                                                    A second point is that professors often care more about colleagues in their research area than overall prestige and ranking.






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                                                      Turn the question around: what are the benefits of the highly-ranked school? Maybe those don't apply (anymore).



                                                      For example, ease of gaining grant money and attracting good graduate students. But if a professor has had a reasonably long and successful career, they may be able to do these things from anywhere.



                                                      A second point is that professors often care more about colleagues in their research area than overall prestige and ranking.






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                                                      Turn the question around: what are the benefits of the highly-ranked school? Maybe those don't apply (anymore).



                                                      For example, ease of gaining grant money and attracting good graduate students. But if a professor has had a reasonably long and successful career, they may be able to do these things from anywhere.



                                                      A second point is that professors often care more about colleagues in their research area than overall prestige and ranking.







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                                                          Adding to the other answers here: It might very well be that a professor does not give any value to such rankings, maybe because they know on what data the ranking is based on. From my time as a student representative in Germany (Fachschaftsrat/Fakultätsrat), I remember rankings where the data for some universities consisted of around 10 survey returns...



                                                          Therefore, they might base their decision on personal reasons, on the faculty-to-student ratio, on the staffing and research facilities they are offered or maybe even on an upcoming research project. Or maybe they want to conclude their career on a chair at the same university they currently are at -- at least here in Germany, climbing the professoral career ladder is harder if you don't switch to another university (in my universities' senate, which I was part of for a while, such "Hausbewerbungen" (applications from researchers of the same university) warrant a very sceptical look onto the candidate list).






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                                                            Adding to the other answers here: It might very well be that a professor does not give any value to such rankings, maybe because they know on what data the ranking is based on. From my time as a student representative in Germany (Fachschaftsrat/Fakultätsrat), I remember rankings where the data for some universities consisted of around 10 survey returns...



                                                            Therefore, they might base their decision on personal reasons, on the faculty-to-student ratio, on the staffing and research facilities they are offered or maybe even on an upcoming research project. Or maybe they want to conclude their career on a chair at the same university they currently are at -- at least here in Germany, climbing the professoral career ladder is harder if you don't switch to another university (in my universities' senate, which I was part of for a while, such "Hausbewerbungen" (applications from researchers of the same university) warrant a very sceptical look onto the candidate list).






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                                                              Adding to the other answers here: It might very well be that a professor does not give any value to such rankings, maybe because they know on what data the ranking is based on. From my time as a student representative in Germany (Fachschaftsrat/Fakultätsrat), I remember rankings where the data for some universities consisted of around 10 survey returns...



                                                              Therefore, they might base their decision on personal reasons, on the faculty-to-student ratio, on the staffing and research facilities they are offered or maybe even on an upcoming research project. Or maybe they want to conclude their career on a chair at the same university they currently are at -- at least here in Germany, climbing the professoral career ladder is harder if you don't switch to another university (in my universities' senate, which I was part of for a while, such "Hausbewerbungen" (applications from researchers of the same university) warrant a very sceptical look onto the candidate list).






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                                                              Adding to the other answers here: It might very well be that a professor does not give any value to such rankings, maybe because they know on what data the ranking is based on. From my time as a student representative in Germany (Fachschaftsrat/Fakultätsrat), I remember rankings where the data for some universities consisted of around 10 survey returns...



                                                              Therefore, they might base their decision on personal reasons, on the faculty-to-student ratio, on the staffing and research facilities they are offered or maybe even on an upcoming research project. Or maybe they want to conclude their career on a chair at the same university they currently are at -- at least here in Germany, climbing the professoral career ladder is harder if you don't switch to another university (in my universities' senate, which I was part of for a while, such "Hausbewerbungen" (applications from researchers of the same university) warrant a very sceptical look onto the candidate list).







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                                                                  Yet another possible reason: they might have been head-hunted.



                                                                  A somewhat singular example of this, dating back to 1964, before the quantified ranking of universities emerged, was at the nascent University of Warwick. Had universities been ranked then, Warwick—as a complete unknown—would have been assigned a pretty poor score. [Sir] Christopher Zeeman, charged with setting up Warwick's mathematics department, invited six distinguished researchers to fill the initial positions, the lure for each being that the other five (plus Zeeman) would be there. The bluff worked, and the department went on to be a cornerstone of what is now a highly ranked university.






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                                                                    Yet another possible reason: they might have been head-hunted.



                                                                    A somewhat singular example of this, dating back to 1964, before the quantified ranking of universities emerged, was at the nascent University of Warwick. Had universities been ranked then, Warwick—as a complete unknown—would have been assigned a pretty poor score. [Sir] Christopher Zeeman, charged with setting up Warwick's mathematics department, invited six distinguished researchers to fill the initial positions, the lure for each being that the other five (plus Zeeman) would be there. The bluff worked, and the department went on to be a cornerstone of what is now a highly ranked university.






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                                                                      Yet another possible reason: they might have been head-hunted.



                                                                      A somewhat singular example of this, dating back to 1964, before the quantified ranking of universities emerged, was at the nascent University of Warwick. Had universities been ranked then, Warwick—as a complete unknown—would have been assigned a pretty poor score. [Sir] Christopher Zeeman, charged with setting up Warwick's mathematics department, invited six distinguished researchers to fill the initial positions, the lure for each being that the other five (plus Zeeman) would be there. The bluff worked, and the department went on to be a cornerstone of what is now a highly ranked university.






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                                                                      Yet another possible reason: they might have been head-hunted.



                                                                      A somewhat singular example of this, dating back to 1964, before the quantified ranking of universities emerged, was at the nascent University of Warwick. Had universities been ranked then, Warwick—as a complete unknown—would have been assigned a pretty poor score. [Sir] Christopher Zeeman, charged with setting up Warwick's mathematics department, invited six distinguished researchers to fill the initial positions, the lure for each being that the other five (plus Zeeman) would be there. The bluff worked, and the department went on to be a cornerstone of what is now a highly ranked university.







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                                                                          I think an observation I made while applying to both high and low ranked universities could go a little way to explain this phenomenon; I have found that low ranked universities treat students and staff very well in order to encourage good academics and students to remain there and Improve the uni’s ranking. While high ranked unis don’t have to try so hard as there is always a surplus of student and quality staff applications.






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                                                                            I think an observation I made while applying to both high and low ranked universities could go a little way to explain this phenomenon; I have found that low ranked universities treat students and staff very well in order to encourage good academics and students to remain there and Improve the uni’s ranking. While high ranked unis don’t have to try so hard as there is always a surplus of student and quality staff applications.






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                                                                              I think an observation I made while applying to both high and low ranked universities could go a little way to explain this phenomenon; I have found that low ranked universities treat students and staff very well in order to encourage good academics and students to remain there and Improve the uni’s ranking. While high ranked unis don’t have to try so hard as there is always a surplus of student and quality staff applications.






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                                                                              I think an observation I made while applying to both high and low ranked universities could go a little way to explain this phenomenon; I have found that low ranked universities treat students and staff very well in order to encourage good academics and students to remain there and Improve the uni’s ranking. While high ranked unis don’t have to try so hard as there is always a surplus of student and quality staff applications.







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