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What makes cosets hard to understand?Galois Theory: necessary?Group theory via actionsHow can one convincingly present the alternating group?Comments on my approach to Group Theory notes?Simple examples that violate group axiomsUsing number theory instead geometry to introduce proof in Basic School?Geometry sample testsA good example to show group actions and Burnside's lemmaGeometry textbook with an abstract algebra emphasisAlternating group without $S_n$













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I'm introducing my kids to the concepts of group theory. To make abstract things tangible, I'm trying the geometry way, adopting Arnold's in "Abel's Theorem", so far I've explained, by using symmetry group of triangle, square, and tetrahedron



  • group (closure, identity and invertibility, I omitted the associativity part)

  • abelian

  • subgroup

  • cyclic group

  • isomorphic

I'm more or less confident as explaining what is a normal subgroup, by interpreting internal automorphisms as "relabeling" -- by algebra style definition internal automorphism is $gag^-1$, but one can interpret in a geometry way that $g$ is "relabeling" then $gag^-1$ is $a$ under that action.



But then I hesitate on how to move on, for example, how to introduce such concepts in a geometry way, not relying on algebra formula?



  • direct product

  • coset

  • quotient groups

  • homomorphism

  • commutator & commutant (the commutator subgroup)

  • solvable group

How do I introduce such concepts in a geometry way?










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    Possibly helpful(?): Visual Group Theory. There is a book on number theory in that series which I like. I've not read the above cited text.
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$begingroup$


I'm introducing my kids to the concepts of group theory. To make abstract things tangible, I'm trying the geometry way, adopting Arnold's in "Abel's Theorem", so far I've explained, by using symmetry group of triangle, square, and tetrahedron



  • group (closure, identity and invertibility, I omitted the associativity part)

  • abelian

  • subgroup

  • cyclic group

  • isomorphic

I'm more or less confident as explaining what is a normal subgroup, by interpreting internal automorphisms as "relabeling" -- by algebra style definition internal automorphism is $gag^-1$, but one can interpret in a geometry way that $g$ is "relabeling" then $gag^-1$ is $a$ under that action.



But then I hesitate on how to move on, for example, how to introduce such concepts in a geometry way, not relying on algebra formula?



  • direct product

  • coset

  • quotient groups

  • homomorphism

  • commutator & commutant (the commutator subgroup)

  • solvable group

How do I introduce such concepts in a geometry way?










share|improve this question











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  • $begingroup$
    Did you really mean "my kid"? Or "my kids" (classroom situation)? I wouldn't imagine homeschooling to be common where you live (but I could be wrong).
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Mortensen
    yesterday






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Possibly helpful(?): Visual Group Theory. There is a book on number theory in that series which I like. I've not read the above cited text.
    $endgroup$
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$begingroup$


I'm introducing my kids to the concepts of group theory. To make abstract things tangible, I'm trying the geometry way, adopting Arnold's in "Abel's Theorem", so far I've explained, by using symmetry group of triangle, square, and tetrahedron



  • group (closure, identity and invertibility, I omitted the associativity part)

  • abelian

  • subgroup

  • cyclic group

  • isomorphic

I'm more or less confident as explaining what is a normal subgroup, by interpreting internal automorphisms as "relabeling" -- by algebra style definition internal automorphism is $gag^-1$, but one can interpret in a geometry way that $g$ is "relabeling" then $gag^-1$ is $a$ under that action.



But then I hesitate on how to move on, for example, how to introduce such concepts in a geometry way, not relying on algebra formula?



  • direct product

  • coset

  • quotient groups

  • homomorphism

  • commutator & commutant (the commutator subgroup)

  • solvable group

How do I introduce such concepts in a geometry way?










share|improve this question











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I'm introducing my kids to the concepts of group theory. To make abstract things tangible, I'm trying the geometry way, adopting Arnold's in "Abel's Theorem", so far I've explained, by using symmetry group of triangle, square, and tetrahedron



  • group (closure, identity and invertibility, I omitted the associativity part)

  • abelian

  • subgroup

  • cyclic group

  • isomorphic

I'm more or less confident as explaining what is a normal subgroup, by interpreting internal automorphisms as "relabeling" -- by algebra style definition internal automorphism is $gag^-1$, but one can interpret in a geometry way that $g$ is "relabeling" then $gag^-1$ is $a$ under that action.



But then I hesitate on how to move on, for example, how to introduce such concepts in a geometry way, not relying on algebra formula?



  • direct product

  • coset

  • quotient groups

  • homomorphism

  • commutator & commutant (the commutator subgroup)

  • solvable group

How do I introduce such concepts in a geometry way?







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    $endgroup$
    – Peter Mortensen
    yesterday






  • 3




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    Possibly helpful(?): Visual Group Theory. There is a book on number theory in that series which I like. I've not read the above cited text.
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  • $begingroup$
    Did you really mean "my kid"? Or "my kids" (classroom situation)? I wouldn't imagine homeschooling to be common where you live (but I could be wrong).
    $endgroup$
    – Peter Mortensen
    yesterday






  • 3




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    Possibly helpful(?): Visual Group Theory. There is a book on number theory in that series which I like. I've not read the above cited text.
    $endgroup$
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$begingroup$
Did you really mean "my kid"? Or "my kids" (classroom situation)? I wouldn't imagine homeschooling to be common where you live (but I could be wrong).
$endgroup$
– Peter Mortensen
yesterday




$begingroup$
Did you really mean "my kid"? Or "my kids" (classroom situation)? I wouldn't imagine homeschooling to be common where you live (but I could be wrong).
$endgroup$
– Peter Mortensen
yesterday




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$begingroup$
Possibly helpful(?): Visual Group Theory. There is a book on number theory in that series which I like. I've not read the above cited text.
$endgroup$
– Xander Henderson
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Permit me to amplify @XanderHenderson's comment pointing
to Nathan Carter's
Visualizing Group Theory,
which I think is the perfect vehicle for your intentions.



The MESE question,
What makes cosets hard to understand?
pointed to his
illustration of cosets in $A_4$ over several slides, of which this is one
(Download .ppt):




     
Cosets

Here is more on
automorphisms, as "rewirings."

Here is a Cayley diagram,
showing "interactions between group generators":




         
CayleyDiagram

         

Image from GroupExplorer.





share|improve this answer











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    Since you are doing this geometrically, I would suggest a different tact on your treatment of normal subgroups: You can think of them as stabilizers of certain extra decorations.



    For example, in a dihedral group we could label the various configurations with a right or left handed orientation. Then you obtain the (normal) rotation subgroup as the stabilizer of these orientations.



    If the dihedral group is a $D_2n$, then you can give two different 2-colorings the vertices and look at the (normal) subgroup which preserves these colorings.



    If you look at the group generated by the reflections on the lines here:



    Tetrakis square tiling



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrakis_square_tiling



    Then you can give 2-colorings to the triangles. The symmetries are transitive on the triangles, but they don't all preserve colorings. The stabilizer of a coloring is again a normal subgroup.



    You can also ask for preservation of the four rotation configurations of the triangles.



    There are more complicated things as well:



    Kisrhombille tiling



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_trihexagonal_tiling#Kisrhombille_tiling



    "Wallpaper group" would be a good thing to google.



    Quotients by these normal subgroups can be seen as acting on the decorations.



    Non-normal subgroups can also be analyzed by what they preserve --- but now they will not be uniform on the undecorated space.






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      Interesting question, here are some ideas just off the top of my head:



      • Direct product groups act on Cartesian products, so the symmetry group of two two squares rotating independently (you could then also talk about how this is a subgroup of the full symmetry group where you're also allowed to swap the squares if they're identical.)


      • Cosets: This isn't great, but the cosets of the dihedral group wrt the subgroup of flips are the rotations and the cosets of the rotations wrt are the flips


      • Quotient Groups: Same as above, but say "We can ignore the rotations rigorously by forming a new group where we've set the elements of the subgroup of rotations to 1. What will be left in this group?"


      • Group homomorphism: Show that the rotation group for the triangle maps into the group for the hexagon (by threefold symmetry), then show that when you try to form a mapping back, you have to explain what happens to the generator $a$. You could demonstrate rotating them together, where you rotate a (marked) hexagon 6 times while rotating a (marked) triangle 6 times and show that rotations respect the groups structure. Then, try it with the pentagon and see that when you've rotated the pentagon 5 times you're not back to the origin for the triangle. A contradiction! You could also use the cube to try this with nonableian groups.


      • Look at the commutator subgroup of the dihedral group. First challenge the students to tell you how many transformations of the triangle commute with every other transformation (none). What about the square (one)? Then derive the result.


      Someone else is going to have to jump in with solveable groups, it's been too long since I've taken group theory.






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        $begingroup$

        Permit me to amplify @XanderHenderson's comment pointing
        to Nathan Carter's
        Visualizing Group Theory,
        which I think is the perfect vehicle for your intentions.



        The MESE question,
        What makes cosets hard to understand?
        pointed to his
        illustration of cosets in $A_4$ over several slides, of which this is one
        (Download .ppt):




             
        Cosets

        Here is more on
        automorphisms, as "rewirings."

        Here is a Cayley diagram,
        showing "interactions between group generators":




                 
        CayleyDiagram

                 

        Image from GroupExplorer.





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          $begingroup$

          Permit me to amplify @XanderHenderson's comment pointing
          to Nathan Carter's
          Visualizing Group Theory,
          which I think is the perfect vehicle for your intentions.



          The MESE question,
          What makes cosets hard to understand?
          pointed to his
          illustration of cosets in $A_4$ over several slides, of which this is one
          (Download .ppt):




               
          Cosets

          Here is more on
          automorphisms, as "rewirings."

          Here is a Cayley diagram,
          showing "interactions between group generators":




                   
          CayleyDiagram

                   

          Image from GroupExplorer.





          share|improve this answer











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            $begingroup$

            Permit me to amplify @XanderHenderson's comment pointing
            to Nathan Carter's
            Visualizing Group Theory,
            which I think is the perfect vehicle for your intentions.



            The MESE question,
            What makes cosets hard to understand?
            pointed to his
            illustration of cosets in $A_4$ over several slides, of which this is one
            (Download .ppt):




                 
            Cosets

            Here is more on
            automorphisms, as "rewirings."

            Here is a Cayley diagram,
            showing "interactions between group generators":




                     
            CayleyDiagram

                     

            Image from GroupExplorer.





            share|improve this answer











            $endgroup$



            Permit me to amplify @XanderHenderson's comment pointing
            to Nathan Carter's
            Visualizing Group Theory,
            which I think is the perfect vehicle for your intentions.



            The MESE question,
            What makes cosets hard to understand?
            pointed to his
            illustration of cosets in $A_4$ over several slides, of which this is one
            (Download .ppt):




                 
            Cosets

            Here is more on
            automorphisms, as "rewirings."

            Here is a Cayley diagram,
            showing "interactions between group generators":




                     
            CayleyDiagram

                     

            Image from GroupExplorer.






            share|improve this answer














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                $begingroup$

                Since you are doing this geometrically, I would suggest a different tact on your treatment of normal subgroups: You can think of them as stabilizers of certain extra decorations.



                For example, in a dihedral group we could label the various configurations with a right or left handed orientation. Then you obtain the (normal) rotation subgroup as the stabilizer of these orientations.



                If the dihedral group is a $D_2n$, then you can give two different 2-colorings the vertices and look at the (normal) subgroup which preserves these colorings.



                If you look at the group generated by the reflections on the lines here:



                Tetrakis square tiling



                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrakis_square_tiling



                Then you can give 2-colorings to the triangles. The symmetries are transitive on the triangles, but they don't all preserve colorings. The stabilizer of a coloring is again a normal subgroup.



                You can also ask for preservation of the four rotation configurations of the triangles.



                There are more complicated things as well:



                Kisrhombille tiling



                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_trihexagonal_tiling#Kisrhombille_tiling



                "Wallpaper group" would be a good thing to google.



                Quotients by these normal subgroups can be seen as acting on the decorations.



                Non-normal subgroups can also be analyzed by what they preserve --- but now they will not be uniform on the undecorated space.






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                  $begingroup$

                  Since you are doing this geometrically, I would suggest a different tact on your treatment of normal subgroups: You can think of them as stabilizers of certain extra decorations.



                  For example, in a dihedral group we could label the various configurations with a right or left handed orientation. Then you obtain the (normal) rotation subgroup as the stabilizer of these orientations.



                  If the dihedral group is a $D_2n$, then you can give two different 2-colorings the vertices and look at the (normal) subgroup which preserves these colorings.



                  If you look at the group generated by the reflections on the lines here:



                  Tetrakis square tiling



                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrakis_square_tiling



                  Then you can give 2-colorings to the triangles. The symmetries are transitive on the triangles, but they don't all preserve colorings. The stabilizer of a coloring is again a normal subgroup.



                  You can also ask for preservation of the four rotation configurations of the triangles.



                  There are more complicated things as well:



                  Kisrhombille tiling



                  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_trihexagonal_tiling#Kisrhombille_tiling



                  "Wallpaper group" would be a good thing to google.



                  Quotients by these normal subgroups can be seen as acting on the decorations.



                  Non-normal subgroups can also be analyzed by what they preserve --- but now they will not be uniform on the undecorated space.






                  share|improve this answer









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                    $begingroup$

                    Since you are doing this geometrically, I would suggest a different tact on your treatment of normal subgroups: You can think of them as stabilizers of certain extra decorations.



                    For example, in a dihedral group we could label the various configurations with a right or left handed orientation. Then you obtain the (normal) rotation subgroup as the stabilizer of these orientations.



                    If the dihedral group is a $D_2n$, then you can give two different 2-colorings the vertices and look at the (normal) subgroup which preserves these colorings.



                    If you look at the group generated by the reflections on the lines here:



                    Tetrakis square tiling



                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrakis_square_tiling



                    Then you can give 2-colorings to the triangles. The symmetries are transitive on the triangles, but they don't all preserve colorings. The stabilizer of a coloring is again a normal subgroup.



                    You can also ask for preservation of the four rotation configurations of the triangles.



                    There are more complicated things as well:



                    Kisrhombille tiling



                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_trihexagonal_tiling#Kisrhombille_tiling



                    "Wallpaper group" would be a good thing to google.



                    Quotients by these normal subgroups can be seen as acting on the decorations.



                    Non-normal subgroups can also be analyzed by what they preserve --- but now they will not be uniform on the undecorated space.






                    share|improve this answer









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                    Since you are doing this geometrically, I would suggest a different tact on your treatment of normal subgroups: You can think of them as stabilizers of certain extra decorations.



                    For example, in a dihedral group we could label the various configurations with a right or left handed orientation. Then you obtain the (normal) rotation subgroup as the stabilizer of these orientations.



                    If the dihedral group is a $D_2n$, then you can give two different 2-colorings the vertices and look at the (normal) subgroup which preserves these colorings.



                    If you look at the group generated by the reflections on the lines here:



                    Tetrakis square tiling



                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrakis_square_tiling



                    Then you can give 2-colorings to the triangles. The symmetries are transitive on the triangles, but they don't all preserve colorings. The stabilizer of a coloring is again a normal subgroup.



                    You can also ask for preservation of the four rotation configurations of the triangles.



                    There are more complicated things as well:



                    Kisrhombille tiling



                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truncated_trihexagonal_tiling#Kisrhombille_tiling



                    "Wallpaper group" would be a good thing to google.



                    Quotients by these normal subgroups can be seen as acting on the decorations.



                    Non-normal subgroups can also be analyzed by what they preserve --- but now they will not be uniform on the undecorated space.







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                        $begingroup$

                        Interesting question, here are some ideas just off the top of my head:



                        • Direct product groups act on Cartesian products, so the symmetry group of two two squares rotating independently (you could then also talk about how this is a subgroup of the full symmetry group where you're also allowed to swap the squares if they're identical.)


                        • Cosets: This isn't great, but the cosets of the dihedral group wrt the subgroup of flips are the rotations and the cosets of the rotations wrt are the flips


                        • Quotient Groups: Same as above, but say "We can ignore the rotations rigorously by forming a new group where we've set the elements of the subgroup of rotations to 1. What will be left in this group?"


                        • Group homomorphism: Show that the rotation group for the triangle maps into the group for the hexagon (by threefold symmetry), then show that when you try to form a mapping back, you have to explain what happens to the generator $a$. You could demonstrate rotating them together, where you rotate a (marked) hexagon 6 times while rotating a (marked) triangle 6 times and show that rotations respect the groups structure. Then, try it with the pentagon and see that when you've rotated the pentagon 5 times you're not back to the origin for the triangle. A contradiction! You could also use the cube to try this with nonableian groups.


                        • Look at the commutator subgroup of the dihedral group. First challenge the students to tell you how many transformations of the triangle commute with every other transformation (none). What about the square (one)? Then derive the result.


                        Someone else is going to have to jump in with solveable groups, it's been too long since I've taken group theory.






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                          $begingroup$

                          Interesting question, here are some ideas just off the top of my head:



                          • Direct product groups act on Cartesian products, so the symmetry group of two two squares rotating independently (you could then also talk about how this is a subgroup of the full symmetry group where you're also allowed to swap the squares if they're identical.)


                          • Cosets: This isn't great, but the cosets of the dihedral group wrt the subgroup of flips are the rotations and the cosets of the rotations wrt are the flips


                          • Quotient Groups: Same as above, but say "We can ignore the rotations rigorously by forming a new group where we've set the elements of the subgroup of rotations to 1. What will be left in this group?"


                          • Group homomorphism: Show that the rotation group for the triangle maps into the group for the hexagon (by threefold symmetry), then show that when you try to form a mapping back, you have to explain what happens to the generator $a$. You could demonstrate rotating them together, where you rotate a (marked) hexagon 6 times while rotating a (marked) triangle 6 times and show that rotations respect the groups structure. Then, try it with the pentagon and see that when you've rotated the pentagon 5 times you're not back to the origin for the triangle. A contradiction! You could also use the cube to try this with nonableian groups.


                          • Look at the commutator subgroup of the dihedral group. First challenge the students to tell you how many transformations of the triangle commute with every other transformation (none). What about the square (one)? Then derive the result.


                          Someone else is going to have to jump in with solveable groups, it's been too long since I've taken group theory.






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                            $begingroup$

                            Interesting question, here are some ideas just off the top of my head:



                            • Direct product groups act on Cartesian products, so the symmetry group of two two squares rotating independently (you could then also talk about how this is a subgroup of the full symmetry group where you're also allowed to swap the squares if they're identical.)


                            • Cosets: This isn't great, but the cosets of the dihedral group wrt the subgroup of flips are the rotations and the cosets of the rotations wrt are the flips


                            • Quotient Groups: Same as above, but say "We can ignore the rotations rigorously by forming a new group where we've set the elements of the subgroup of rotations to 1. What will be left in this group?"


                            • Group homomorphism: Show that the rotation group for the triangle maps into the group for the hexagon (by threefold symmetry), then show that when you try to form a mapping back, you have to explain what happens to the generator $a$. You could demonstrate rotating them together, where you rotate a (marked) hexagon 6 times while rotating a (marked) triangle 6 times and show that rotations respect the groups structure. Then, try it with the pentagon and see that when you've rotated the pentagon 5 times you're not back to the origin for the triangle. A contradiction! You could also use the cube to try this with nonableian groups.


                            • Look at the commutator subgroup of the dihedral group. First challenge the students to tell you how many transformations of the triangle commute with every other transformation (none). What about the square (one)? Then derive the result.


                            Someone else is going to have to jump in with solveable groups, it's been too long since I've taken group theory.






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                            Interesting question, here are some ideas just off the top of my head:



                            • Direct product groups act on Cartesian products, so the symmetry group of two two squares rotating independently (you could then also talk about how this is a subgroup of the full symmetry group where you're also allowed to swap the squares if they're identical.)


                            • Cosets: This isn't great, but the cosets of the dihedral group wrt the subgroup of flips are the rotations and the cosets of the rotations wrt are the flips


                            • Quotient Groups: Same as above, but say "We can ignore the rotations rigorously by forming a new group where we've set the elements of the subgroup of rotations to 1. What will be left in this group?"


                            • Group homomorphism: Show that the rotation group for the triangle maps into the group for the hexagon (by threefold symmetry), then show that when you try to form a mapping back, you have to explain what happens to the generator $a$. You could demonstrate rotating them together, where you rotate a (marked) hexagon 6 times while rotating a (marked) triangle 6 times and show that rotations respect the groups structure. Then, try it with the pentagon and see that when you've rotated the pentagon 5 times you're not back to the origin for the triangle. A contradiction! You could also use the cube to try this with nonableian groups.


                            • Look at the commutator subgroup of the dihedral group. First challenge the students to tell you how many transformations of the triangle commute with every other transformation (none). What about the square (one)? Then derive the result.


                            Someone else is going to have to jump in with solveable groups, it's been too long since I've taken group theory.







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